Column Rethink use of term 'illegal immigration'

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It's also extremely unfair to pretend that somehow mass immigration is bad for an economy. The beauty of a free market is that it will grow and expand, and the demand for jobs should increase along with population growth. If the growth of jobs isn't correlating with population growth, this is a sign that too much state control is present. It's also fair to note that many so-called illegal immigrants have fake social security numbers and pay income taxes. Most also pay property taxes and sales taxes. Many immigrants have the same right to government services that any of us have. Not every American pays their taxes either.

Even if you don't buy the argument that immigration is healthy for an economy, I hope that most people can understand that increased border security can only mean a rise in the police state.

There are already so-called border checkpoints that Americans are forced to go through. These checkpoints are often hundreds of miles from the border, and are nothing more than an excuse for the government to invade liberty in the name of a new enemy-the Mexican immigrant.

In order for the government to keep up the war on immigration, drugs and terrorism at the border, we'll all need to prepare to show our papers and give up a bit of privacy. Just like their futile war on drugs, the state will be unable to keep immigrants from entering America without documentation. Instead their security theatre will serve only to make immigration more violent by surrounding the practice with organized crime and desperation.

The federal government can never stop people from entering this country, and I don't even see a need to try. A free nation should have borders that are open and accessible to anyone who wishes to cross. Border security will only lead to less economic growth through regulation, and less freedoms for those of us who already live within the fortress of America.

The government could solve the immigration problem by privatizing welfare programs and ending police state restrictions that require identification and permission to simply open up a business and hire workers. All this serves to do is to stifle entrepreneurship and take away economic liberties. Simply because I was lucky enough to be born to the United States does not mean that I am any more American than someone who chooses to cross the border and live this country. Like nearly everyone else in America, I am a descendant of immigrants. Just because an immigrant from Mexico has found a way to stay out of the government databases does not make them a criminal.

I am envious of their ability to make a living without the state keeping a watchful eye on them. They certainly are experiencing a level of freedom that I simply cannot. The law forbids it.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 1:02 AM — Flag Comment

so called illegal immigration, these conservative types, nationalistic concept of border control....wow. if you want to challenge it semantically, define crime then determine whether or not what they are doing is illegal. its funny since you say it is a victimless crime so you understand that it IS a crime. criminal immigrants? maybe that is a better term. I think you want to challenge whether it should be illegal, not whether or not it is a crime. and big shocker conservatives are hypocrites. it's like science loving democrats using animals for testing and being wildlife advocates at the same time. its ok to be a hypocrite sometimes. gee, maybe the world isn't so black and white after all.

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Common Sense | # April 30, 2009 @ 1:21 AM — Flag Comment

This article is a joke at best. I feel ashamed taking time to respond but I am afraid other naive Americans, aka liberals, will agree. For starters, it is impossible to have a free market in a nation where the federal government decides which businesses fail and which succeed. The Obama administration is at complete odds with this, as was the Bush administration in its final days. Secondly,to say that protecting our boarders from harmful invasion is destructive to our freedoms is not only idiotic it is also what will be the downfall of our country. No, there is no reason we should prevent immigrants with good intentions from entering our country. Unfortunately we can not just open our boarders up to everyone. Last year I wanted to attend a concert in DC. It was sold out. I did not climb the fence claiming it was my right to attend the concert because I was a huge fan of the band. Liberals need to wake up and GROW UP. A crime is a crime. I can not enter ANY nation without proving I am either a tourist or a citizen so why should we give a free pass to anyone wishing to enter the US as a citizen. To those who do not agree, please stop being immature brats for the sake of our beloved nation!

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Tom Minogue | # April 30, 2009 @ 2:02 AM — Flag Comment

There's a difference between responsible and irresponsible free market principles.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 2:07 AM — Flag Comment

ill answer that then respond. we are a nation of immigrants blah blah shut the door blah. we're not a nation of immigrants. nation of settlers, perhaps. nation of people that fought another government to obtain their own rights, perhaps. how were the people that arrived here immigrants? immigrants to where? definitely not the US since it didn't exist yet. as a side note, i like the author is discussing with some phantom conservative. it almost seems like Chad is trying to make sense of a complicated situation, that's good to see.

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panola | # April 30, 2009 @ 3:20 AM — Flag Comment

Every year over 1 million legal immigrants will endure rigorous hurdles that include medical examinations to detect diseases as well as background checks to detect a criminal background or possible ties to terrorists. However every year an additional 1.4 million illegal aliens will jump a fence into America in order to avoid our immigration checks. These invaders are not being checked for diseases. They are unknowns, possibly bringing with them undetected diseases and/or criminal backgrounds. Today over 3800 illegal's will sneak into our country. Tomorrow, same thing, and the next day and the next...

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N. Nelson | # April 30, 2009 @ 7:48 AM — Flag Comment

As a Federal employee who works in the immigration field, the term "illegal" is correct. Federal Law states that an alien/foreigner must enter the US with a visa or with the special permission (parole) of the Department of State/Homeland Security. Entering without a visa is a violation of the Federal Law and thus a crime. How simple is that? Secondly, your criticism of the sponsoring organization's use of the term "freedom" is an irrelevant jab at the group's conservative bent.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 8:31 AM — Flag Comment

To Common Sense: Pls. note it is "borders," not "boarders." The latter refers to someone you may be renting a room to in your home, etc.

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J. Earl | # April 30, 2009 @ 8:43 AM — Flag Comment

The essay is sophomoric. It is classic propaganda. Having pracaticed criminal law for 24 years, I am able to statt--- illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. In a recently released Federal report--- Illegal aliens kill more American Citizens each year than the total number of U.S. military personel lost since the beginning of the Iraq War. My Dakota Sioux grandfather had a saying--- We are safe, only when, everyone follows the law. Can you grasp that abstract concept, Chad?

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Really? | # April 30, 2009 @ 8:58 AM — Flag Comment

Do people actually question the legality of...well...the law? Let me make this simple Chad, if you break a law stating you cannot enter the country without going through the proper channels, you have immigrated illegally. Immigrating illegally = illegal immmigration. Grasp ahold of your middle-school-pop-philosophy and hopefully you don't accidently actually read your own words.

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Alum | # April 30, 2009 @ 9:11 AM — Flag Comment

il•le•gal: : contrary to or in violation of a law (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law). Im"mi*gra"tion: The act of immigrating; the passing or coming into a country for the purpose of permanent residence. (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary). Looks like the term illegal immigration is accurate. Then again, I bet Mr. Van Alstin approves of Janet Napolitano’s referring to terrorism as “man-caused disasters” and the President’s calling the War on Terror “overseas contingency operations.” Border enforcement is not “tyrannical,” it’s a very basic obligation of any sovereign nation. Oops, I went and used the word “nation.” Van Alstin says, “Simply because I was lucky enough to be born to the United States does not mean that I am any more American than someone who chooses to cross the border and live this country.” Umm… Yes you are, unless the person who does so becomes a naturalized citizen.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 9:12 AM — Flag Comment

This is your typical liberal who has no clue what he's arguing about. Does Mr. Alstin realize the difference between illegal immigration and doing it legally? The CT must have nothing better to publish than trash like this piece. This kid needs to go back to middle school social studies.

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Eric Wood | # April 30, 2009 @ 9:39 AM — Flag Comment

Please understand that Chad does not present the standard liberal argument on this issue. It may be that this article was intended just to get a humorous rise out of conservatives in a satirical fashion, but I'm not sure. Either way, I think the answer to reducing illegal immigration is to increase legal immigration by relaxing the immigration process. We make the process of getting a visa too strenuous and discouraging, so no wonder people end up breaking the law. If someone wants to migrate to this country, we should encourage them to get on the path to citizenship.

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Alum | # April 30, 2009 @ 9:52 AM — Flag Comment

Bollucks. People should only be allowed to immigrate to this country if they have something to offer besides unskilled labor.

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Jason T | # April 30, 2009 @ 9:58 AM — Flag Comment

Eric, the question is whether the problem is with immigration itself, or merely with the documentation of immigrants. If citizenship were granted on demand, we would expect a decrease in illegal immigration. I maintain that more is necessary. The "give us your tired, your poor..." mantra no longer applies, ever since the advent of social programs galore. Now, every citizen is more directly impacted by immigration of the impoverished. The government has an obligation to protect its existing citizens from both criminal immigrants and those who would create a strain on the social programs that existing taxpayers are already stretched thin to finance. To "Really?": you can't question the legality of the law, but you can certainly question other aspects like constitutionality, ethical viability, etc.

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Native American | # April 30, 2009 @ 10:16 AM — Flag Comment

The only ones that are afraid of these poor migrants that pick our FOOD and wash our dishes and homes are the UNEDUCATED AMERICAN CITIZENS> I don't see any Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, Professionals that are screaming that they are losing their LOW AGE DISH WASHING JOB!!! As an American Citizen, anyone can get educated and have a PROFESSION that is required in today's workplace :) Stop blaming others, look in the mirror and blame the person you see.

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Wanda | # April 30, 2009 @ 10:45 AM — Flag Comment

A sustainable future for the U.S. is unattainable without immigration reduction. We are currently heading toward ONE BILLION people here by 2090 unless we deal with this. "Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." - Adam Smith, economist and ethicist Everything you need to know about immigration and what to do about it humorously told. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBw1nUlf38I (Roy Beck and NumbersUSA are the "gumball" heroes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

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Hagop | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:02 AM — Flag Comment

Chad is an idiot. He's wrong and his opinion is worthless.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:06 AM — Flag Comment

Hey Native American, do you mean you live in a teepee or you're a native? Anyway, you're an idiot. If you can't see a problem with regulating who comes into our country, you should be taken out back and shot. It doesn't matter what profession you occupy, the point is illegal is ILLEGAL. If anyone wants to become a citizen by all means they have that right. They just have to go through the legal channels that we have set up.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:22 AM — Flag Comment

The whole debate over “illegal” immigration is ridiculous. For the sake of argument, I’ll grant anyone facts saying “illegals” don’t hurt anyone. The principle of the matter is the act of crossing the border without permission is simply wrong. I cannot comprehend why people try to justify a wrongful act against one’s own country. I understand people have problems with the actual immigration process, which is fine. If that is the case, they should be lobbying to correct the problems instead of trying to justice wrongful acts. “A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.”

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:26 AM — Flag Comment

Wow, you've never had to work for a living have you! You're an idiot. The idea that the United States doesn't have the right to contol its own borders is simply wrong. You try to go to Mexico and get a job without proving that you have a right to work there. I can tell you right now that you won't be able to find a job. That's because the Mexican government has immigration laws. Unlike us though, they enforce theirs. Ironic, isn't it!

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Colorado | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:39 AM — Flag Comment

Tancredo is a tool. That's why we kicked him out of Colorado. Did y'all buy some magic beans or snake oil from him? Seriously. I hope you didn't pay him to appear.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 11:41 AM — Flag Comment

Obviously Chad has never been the victim of identity theft perpitrated by these border hopping leeches.

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Matt | # April 30, 2009 @ 1:40 PM — Flag Comment

Chad,when you grow up and start a family, I encourage you to maintain your opinions while you are paying higher insurance, higher taxes, and you can't take your kids to the emergency room because the ER is overcrowded with Illegals using our resources for free. Who do you think pays for this? The Tax Paying Citizens of the USA and eventually you will. I will forgive your ignorance as a symptom of your obvious lack of real world experience. Wake up Chad, what country in the world has open boarders? the USA is the greatest country in the world. If you allowed everyone to come here without restrictions who do think you would get, the best of the best? Of course not, we would become a third world country.

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Maggie | # April 30, 2009 @ 2:15 PM — Flag Comment

Obviously either a very liberal rich person or a kid writing this article. Obviously not a relative of anyone killed on 9/11 and obviously not a friend of anyone who has been raped or murdered by someone that was in this country illegally. Obviously not a father or mother struggling with high medical insurance payments while their neighbors who are here illegally living in section 8 housing go freely to the doctor's at no cost. Obviously not a person who have had their identity stolen or gone to retire only to find that Jose already retired for them on a flase social security claim. Obviously not a person who needs a job and has to be Hispanic to get one. Obviously not a very well informed person at all.

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Phil | # April 30, 2009 @ 2:28 PM — Flag Comment

Libertarians don't have common sense. They believe everybody should be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody. Just do away with laws and everybody will somehow do what is beneficial to society. The book " The Sociopath Next Door" says that about 4 of every 100 adults is a sociopath and will lie, cheat and steal to get ahead in life. A good example is the story in the news lately about the guy running the ponzi scheme who ripped people off for billions. You should be able to do away with the FDA. Libertarians must believe that companies won't rob people selling them dangerous or usless drugs. No need for the EPA because people will automatically know not to pollute the envirionment. Corruption and ignorance are part of human nature thats why there are laws.

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HokieDad | # April 30, 2009 @ 2:50 PM — Flag Comment

Bears repeating; Posted by: Maggie at 2:15 pm Obviously either a very liberal rich person or a kid writing this article. Obviously not a relative of anyone killed on 9/11 and obviously not a friend of anyone who has been raped or murdered by someone that was in this country illegally. Obviously not a father or mother struggling with high medical insurance payments while their neighbors who are here illegally living in section 8 housing go freely to the doctor's at no cost. Obviously not a person who have had their identity stolen or gone to retire only to find that Jose already retired for them on a flase social security claim. Obviously not a person who needs a job and has to be Hispanic to get one. Obviously not a very well informed person at all. ------------------------------------------------------------ All dead bang right on the money! CRIMINAL INVADERS is the appropriate term to use for these leeches.

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Out of place | # April 30, 2009 @ 4:18 PM — Flag Comment

@Phil - where did the libertarian attack come from? Also, I'm proud of you for reading a book, but have you studied any psychology? There is actually a LOT of support for the libertarian philosophy in psychology and sociology. And you are also mistaken in equating libertarians to anarchists.

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Johnson | # April 30, 2009 @ 4:52 PM — Flag Comment

Non-resident aliens who enter and reside in the U.S. are breaking the law. Therefore the term "illegal alien" is entirely accurate. Anyone who enters the U.S. without presenting themselves for inspection and admittance is committing a crime. Illegal aliens are criminals, which is why I don't want them here. You just want to sugar coat the issue and garner sympathy for criminals. Stop it. Live in the now.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 4:58 PM — Flag Comment

man, dos anyone support illegal immigration? I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone post about US policies causing such hardship everywhere else and their only choice is to emigrate the countries we are ruining. I've seen like 15 posts railing against this issue but I've never read one in the newspaper. I'm going to read it more often and see if I can catch it in print. Mr Chad I guess is trying to piece together how conservatives can hold the views of anti immigration and free market capitalism. He's trying to work his way through understanding, you guys should help him out.

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mph | # April 30, 2009 @ 5:16 PM — Flag Comment

Naturalized Citizenship is Not a Right.

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Tom2 | # April 30, 2009 @ 6:15 PM — Flag Comment

Hey Chad -- It's Young A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S for Freedom. The operative word is AMERICANS. In case English isn't your first language, it's not Young M-E-X-I-C-A-N-S for Freedom. Entiendo?

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 6:33 PM — Flag Comment

it isn't a right...yet! just wait. has anyone proposed that we just make Mexico the 51st state? Christ they wall want to be here anyways. might as well take some of their resources besides human capital.

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kerby the patriot | # April 30, 2009 @ 7:16 PM — Flag Comment

Either you are a illegal or have someone in your family that is because you do not realize the damage done to this country by the 80 I.Q. breeding machines that seak across our border and kill innocent american citizens on a daily basis,either on purpose or by drinking and driving.I am sorry but as a whole mexicans are subhuman.Not my fault just pointing it out.Why are facts considered racist?????

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Sweet Tequila! | # April 30, 2009 @ 7:57 PM — Flag Comment

Those 80 I.Q. breeding machines are my favorites. You should getcha some! By the way, there is no such thing as an innocent american citizen. We're all guilty of something. For example, Kerby?, he's guilty of bigotry; anonymous?, guilty of good ideas; Tom2?, xenophobia; Me?, I'm judgmental.

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Anonymous | # April 30, 2009 @ 10:12 PM — Flag Comment

I'm guilty of loving that Mexican food! If it weren't for my love of Mexican food I think I would be way more anti immigration than I am. It sounds crazy but the mere fact that their food is so tasty swings them into my favor for some reason. I'm glad our elected officials aren't so easily swayed, it would be too easy to bribe them. Well, easier anyway.

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klc | # April 30, 2009 @ 10:36 PM — Flag Comment

I think that you guys all have a bit of racism in you to think that every undocumented immigrant is a criminal. There's plenty people here that do the same exact thing and their not Mexican. They do jobs that no one else will do to help keep our economy alive. And immigrants is what our country is based off of. How we came to be. How can we deny people the freedom to do something that our country stood for? To improve their lives..everyone has that right.

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Anonymous | # May 1, 2009 @ 12:02 AM — Flag Comment

people toss the word rights around a lot these days. if it was a right there wouldn't be any debate about it. you really only have the privilege to do what others allow you to do. others being the people that can put you to death, detain, deport, etc.

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Anonymous | # May 1, 2009 @ 12:06 AM — Flag Comment

Every undocumented immigrant has broken the law by crossing the border without going through customs making them a criminal it isn't racism it's simply a legal issue. If we said every undocumented worker was a lazy, dirty, alcoholic Mexican then it would be racism. KLC you are ignorant about immigration, grammar and U.S. laws and history. I suggest you learn facts instead of talking points when debating issues in the future.

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Sean | # May 1, 2009 @ 1:58 AM — Flag Comment

Facts...who needs em? I was reading the posts in this forum and I thought, "Man, if I were a Mexican reading this there is no way I'm going to VT. They'll all hate me!"

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Anonymous | # May 1, 2009 @ 2:02 AM — Flag Comment

not a lot of hispanics here anyway no big loss

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Tom2 | # May 1, 2009 @ 8:58 AM — Flag Comment

I'd like to acquaint some of the ESL writers here with a few common terms. “Immigrant” defines people who come to America legally. Therefore, the term “illegal immigrant” is oxymoronic and the term “legal immigrant” is redundant. Often hidden behind the term “immigrant,” is an illegal alien. "Immigrant" also does not mean Hispanic because that's short for Hispanohablantes which means Spanish speaker. And it does not mean Latino. That's short for Latinoamericano, an American word first used in 1945, connoting citizen. Mexicans commingle illegal aliens with Hispanics, Latinos and immigrants to create confusion and enhance illegal alien survival. It’s the same way that fish enhance survival by schooling. Such amorphy makes it difficult to focus on them. Obscured is the fact that illegal aliens are neither citizens nor immigrants. It’s insulting to immigrants, Latinos and Hispanics alike. But Mexico hates any clarification because it removes their camouflage. Perhaps, deep down, they consider the term “Mexican” offensive. I wonder if those who support illegal aliens would open the border to everyone -- or just to the Mexicans. If the former, America already is lost. If the latter, it's not Anglos who are the racists.

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RCP in NYC | # May 1, 2009 @ 11:37 AM — Flag Comment

I’d like to come down on the side of open immigration, but the hostility shown on here makes me believe that such a plea would fall on deaf ears so I’ll start small. I know everyone loves to yell about the Mexicans keep producing babies (just like those Irish-Catholic baby making machines that ruined our country before), and how immigrants will either bankrupt or kill all of us, but maybe we can find one area to begin to compromise. As it stands now I believe that there are only 65,000 H1B visas issued each year by this country giving high skilled workers the ability to work in this country for 3 years. All H1B visas disappear within days of being offered on October 1 every year and US businesses are left with an inability to fill these high skill job positions (Microsoft opened a research facility in Canada because their immigration policy is more open). These workers lead to an increase in quality of work being done and make US companies more competitive. They pay taxes and help to create jobs with spending. There are hundreds of thousands of people waiting (I believe 200,000 people apply each year) can we rethink why we are excluding them?

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Anonymous | # May 1, 2009 @ 12:43 PM — Flag Comment

Hostility...just a little bit. This discussion isn't about improving the immigration policy so don't bring those good intentions here. It's about venting anger and frustration.

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Jason T | # May 1, 2009 @ 1:56 PM — Flag Comment

RCP, thanks for your insight. As I've mentioned, there is a need for standards, but the debate as to what constitutes proper standards is wide open, as far as I'm concerned.

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orlando | # May 1, 2009 @ 1:59 PM — Flag Comment

@Tom2: Creating private terminology in a debate is not a good idea; berating people for using standard terminology is idiotic. Immigrant is somebody who moves to a country, legality has nothing to do with it. Dictionary.com offers: "a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence." Do you have any dictionary that includes legality as a requirement for immigrant ?

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Tom2 | # May 1, 2009 @ 2:16 PM — Flag Comment

Orlando, would you open the border to everyone of just to Mexico? Most immigrants are offended that illegal aliens call themselves immigrants. It implies they all stand in the same line when one is EARNING citizenship and the other is stealing it.

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Alum | # May 1, 2009 @ 4:06 PM — Flag Comment

From Law.com: illegal immigrant n. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa.

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Tom2 | # May 1, 2009 @ 8:56 PM — Flag Comment

I'm still waiting for an activist to answer the most fundamental question. Would you open the borders to everyone or just to the Mexicans? Even Law.com and the judiciary have been duped by a mass of activists into avoiding the words crafted into the law. Overwhelmingly, the term used is illegal alien. I'd guess most who screeched in the streets today, for more free stuff, would not want the borders opened for compeition from Asia and Africa.

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Anonymous | # May 1, 2009 @ 11:08 PM — Flag Comment

I would open the borders to Swedish women. All others should be met with strong resistance.

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NewYorker/Lodoner | # May 2, 2009 @ 3:25 PM — Flag Comment

USA! USA! God bless America, 'dem Hokies football too, and nobody else. How 'bout 'dem socialist liberals, huh? You lot expect way too much from a obscure column in a college paper. Does the author have any authority to make opinions on this issue? Has he studied immigration legislation for years like prominent attorneys have? Funny, since I've never even met a Mexican person in these parts and you get screaming contests in the comment sections like it's end of the world. =)

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Anonymous | # May 2, 2009 @ 4:13 PM — Flag Comment

Your ignorance is astounding and it ultimately detracts from your argument. I'm not entirely surprised most English people I've talked to are just as misinformed.

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RCP in NYC | # May 2, 2009 @ 4:55 PM — Flag Comment

As an attorney I'll tell you that our legal dictionary is not Law.com but Black's Law Dictionary which has this definition: Immigrant: A person who arrives in a country to settle there permanently; a person who immigrates. and Immigration: The act of entering a country with the intention of settling there permanently. I think that the semantics mean less than our actual policy, but I figured if you were going to argue about definitions you should use the same resource that attorneys use. As an answer to Tom2, I argue for more open immigration regardless of natural origin. I don't have the study in front of me, but I believe that 40% of new businesses are started by immigrants. Immigrants have built this country and helped to make our GDP larger than the next 4 countries combined. First generation immigrants are some of the most patriotic Americans I have met because they know why they came here. Immigrants choose to be American, we are only born here.

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New Yorker/Londoner | # May 2, 2009 @ 7:41 PM — Flag Comment

Anon - Mate, I can say the same things about Americans, especially those from around the parts where your uni. is located. Would you care to elaborate? How many English people have you met in your life? Not sure if I want to hear your anecdotal evidence anyways, since your experiences are probably limited to meeting English holiday makers in places like the USA, Spain, etc.

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Tom2 | # May 2, 2009 @ 7:54 PM — Flag Comment

I too favor more open, quota-driven immigration because until the recession, we needed the labor force. But I also believe an immigrant should provide his real name, date of birth, prior address, next of kin, personal references, health certificate, evidence of medical insurance, drivers license, auto registration, auto insurance, telephone number and temporary US address. I also believe that an immigrant, once here, should live according to local housing codes, maintain necessary labor permits and insurance, pay income tax, use no social services, ask for no federal assistance and wait in the citizenship line like other immigrants. Finally, an immigrant should leave his family at home until he achieves citizenship. In the event that he achieves citizenship and brings his family, they too should meet all these standards and pay for ESL classes until they too earn citizenship. I'd guess most companies wouldn't be able to afford such labor so the job market would dry up. By the way, I learned my definitions of Latino and Hispanic from a Spanish professor in Dallas. I learned my definition of an illegal alien from the immigration laws. That said, what illegal aliens are doing is illegal.

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Jared | # May 4, 2009 @ 9:38 AM — Flag Comment

If people want to enter this country, they should do it legally. Follow the proper rules and regulations to immigrate to the United States and start off on the right foot. I also think at least a rough understanding of English should be commanded so they can function in an English speaking nation.

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Anonymous | # May 4, 2009 @ 11:28 AM — Flag Comment

Jared your comments about learning English remind me of a Samuel Huntington essay where he argues that the language barrier is detrimental to the Mexican population.

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Janice | # May 5, 2009 @ 9:24 AM — Flag Comment

"A free nation should have borders that are open and accessible to anyone who wishes to cross." This works well if nations are economically and politically equal or nearly so. That is not the case here. So, Mexicans whose family back in Mexico need only $5/day to survive (as an example) can come here and work for $4/hr and that's ok with you? Of course, they don't pay taxes here so they can afford to do that. The new college grad however WILL pay taxes and cannot afford to work for less than $8/hr to net the same pay. But you have no problem with that? You have no issue with providing free education to anyone who shows up, regardless of whether or not they contribute? Free Social Security benefits? Free use of our roads, police, emergency rooms, etc. even though they do not contribute to sustaining these services? You need to take a class in basic economics.

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Owens | # May 7, 2009 @ 9:58 AM — Flag Comment

This country has stood on immigration since the beginning of its conception. I also agree that the economy can't handle being without illegal aliens. I think the gov't should ease up a little bit on immigration laws...the notions the gov't go on to illegitimize immigration are backwards and clearly aimed at the emotions of ignorant americans.Immmigration creates competition which is the basis of capitalism right? so then why are people so opposed to it? america is becoming lazy and overcome with many feelings of entitlement...that will be our downfall. thats not to say responsibility lies only with us. aliens should take it upon themselves to learn the language and to try to contribute back to this country in ways that justify us "finding" them.

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Alum | # May 8, 2009 @ 12:25 PM — Flag Comment

Excellent article. A well thought-out defense of this country's principles and sound economic theory, something this country is in dire need of right now.

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Alum2 | # May 10, 2009 @ 10:08 AM — Flag Comment

Owens, your points are BS. The economy can handle legal immigration just fine. We don't "need" illegal immigration. That's just retarded. I agree illegal immigration creates competition - competition for handouts, education and emergency room services. We have plenty of leeches now. The answer is to require welfare recipients to do the "jobs American's won't do." Instead of allowing welfare recipients to sit around on their a$$es, the government should point to a farm field and say "See that lettuce? Get to it or no check for you!" Maybe we should hire welfare check Nazis.

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Owens | # May 11, 2009 @ 10:02 AM — Flag Comment

Now if that were the case, don't you think it would have already been done? Not to mention most people on government aid live in urban areas. Make them move out to rural areas? Ever hear about Urban sprawl and the issues that come with that? Looks like that won't work either. Also, how many civil problems will arise from "those city people" moving into a rural persons quiet neighborhood. While that idea is good, it isn't a realistic one. Pointing them to closer to home jobs (thew ones that don't exist now) would be a more ideal situation. One that they already attempt to do. There are rules for collecting welfare...some people find loopholes for them the same way gov't officials do to work immigration in their favor. Also, by getting rid of illegal immigration, you effectively shrink the market size greatly. Believe it or not, not all aliens are crimminals. Think of it as living on a 7 figure salary and then having it drop to 5. It is possible but it will be very very hard. Oh who's that? Mike Vick! and now he has to file for bankruptcy. I know he did bad things that led to this but can't you replave Vick with America and dogfighting with allowing immigration? Lets just hope bankruptcy doesnt follow...

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Free Mike Vick | # May 11, 2009 @ 2:33 PM — Flag Comment

Leave Mike Vick alone he didn't do anything terrible, hasn't he suffered enough. Think about the victims, ESPN is stuck promoting the non-stop action with a slow joey Harrington and an even slower brian leftwitch.

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Owens | # May 11, 2009 @ 4:23 PM — Flag Comment

I wasn't trying to incrimimate him. I was merely stating that he has made mistakes and is paying for them. His situationwas simply compared to that of our nation. And dog fighting is pretty terrible...look at the way people fighting (wars) is viewed. and wars is supposed to have a purpose. But he is respectfully owning up to his decisions for which I have no and never had any gripe with Mr. Vick.

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Free Mike Vick | # May 11, 2009 @ 10:59 PM — Flag Comment

Dog fighting isn't terrible, they're dumb animals that do not deserve consideration. We eat meat everyday do you know what that cow went through in order for you to have a burger. It's no different, animals suffer for our benefit all the time. Mike Vick gave these dogs a purpose, a dream if ever so brief. What he did was kind of like getting an inner city kid off drugs.

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Owens | # May 11, 2009 @ 11:27 PM — Flag Comment

Even though this is off topic I think this frame of mind deserves a response. When people go into the water and get attacked by sharks or attacked by bears in the woods, people get very angry with these animals right? Then they try to get even with that animal that was protecting its young or trying to feed itself...like we do with cows. So why is the animal then wrong and we are right? What is this double standard you're going by. Based on your comments, i have decided that you are laughing with your friends since you aren't seriously commenting on your opinions which is fine or you are seriously ignorant in more than one area of life. Either of which way i'm trough with this conversation. If you're joking then haha I do in fact find that devils advocate humor funny as I do it myself (even though the way i said it sounds lame) but if not, then i emplor you to step out of your normal surroundings and do some traveling with nature, people, or drugs you find in the "inner city"...haha...but really...

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Janice | # May 15, 2009 @ 10:14 PM — Flag Comment

Illegal immigration is NOT victimless! Illegals steal jobs from those at the bottom of the economic ladder, and their presence depresses wages for those citizens who do find work. Being poor is not a crime. Breaking into my country and stealing a job from a citizen IS a crime.

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Owens | # May 20, 2009 @ 9:17 PM — Flag Comment

Stealing? Did the company have to give the alien a job? No. The question these people should be asking is what these aliens have or are doing that they aren't. They then need to do it. That would complete the definition of being competitive.

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John Galt | # May 28, 2009 @ 11:54 PM — Flag Comment

Immigration is only beneficial to the country if there is no welfare system. If people have to use their brains and their abilities, then open the borders completely. However, those who show up with their hands out to receive what the hard working have earned should be sent back to their home lands.

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Owens | # June 1, 2009 @ 1:14 AM — Flag Comment

Then this mentality should hold true to any and all who try to drain the system. Of which then our own citizens become the crime infested ones with no money. The only difference is you can't deport them. You can put them in jail of which you're paying even more tax money to house them in a place where their situation might be better than before (I say might to steer away from generalizations of living conditions).

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Hokie2010or2011 | # June 2, 2009 @ 9:50 PM — Flag Comment

so it's ok for an illegal immigrant to steal a social security number if they are going to pay taxes then?? What about the illegals that are on welfare making others pay for them to live? Gang related violence is often by illegal immigrants. Haven't you heard of MS13??

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TL Winslow | # June 6, 2009 @ 8:53 PM — Flag Comment

The age-old pesky U.S.-Mexico border problem has taxed the resources of both countries, led to long lists of injustices, and appears to be heading only for worse troubles in the future. Guess what? The border problem can never be solved. Why? Because the border IS the problem! It's time for a paradigm change. Never fear, a satisfying, comprehensive solution is within reach: the Megamerge Dissolution Solution. Simply dissolve the border along with the failed Mexican government, and megamerge the two countries under U.S. law, with mass free 2-way migration eventually equalizing the development and opportunities permanently, with justice and without racism. To read how, Google "Megamerge Dissolution Solution".

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