It becomes exhausting to read comments like, “ ... you should take a hint from white people on how to deal with bigotry,” or “... blacks complain too much,” and “Gay people need to quiet down.” As someone who bridges the gap between agent and target groups, garnering all the privilege of race and gender but none concerning sexuality, I find myself at odds with my white and heterosexual friends. I am told that I either have a chip on my shoulder or that my struggle is nothing compared to that of black Americans. It leads me to wonder, why are white people so blind to privilege, and why do heterosexuals refuse to close ranks with the LGBT community?
The most obnoxious comment made by heterosexuals is the one concerning gay activism. The claim is that if gays weren’t so loud and obstreperous about their civil rights and discrimination, heterosexuals wouldn’t feel the need to be so invidious. Interesting claim — especially when one considers the climate of America for the LGBT community sixty years ago. This was a time when the terms “pedophile” and “homosexual” were synonymous and videos were shown to students to teach them how to avoid “transients” such as vagrant gay men. And despite what science has debunked, such as the myth of the prevalent homosexual pedophile, we still find accredited universities such as Liberty teaching scores of students that gays, as a community, rarely experience legitimate relationships and women still need to submit to the will of their husbands. All of this is backed by the Bible, of course.
On the other end of the spectrum, this frightening and bizarre denial of racism at Virginia Tech forces me to ponder what the experiences of my white counterparts have been abroad in America. I have witnessed comment after comment stating that racism is near its death and that black Americans are the true racists. Or even worse, “Black people use the N-word, why can’t we?” — as though somehow, if one group of people is doing something, it is a complete justification for another group to follow in its steps. I suppose that was the rationale for slavery at the time. Wasn’t everyone doing it?
People confuse anger with racism. I also believe that communities as well-bonded as that of black Americans irk white people. All groups in power find themselves disturbed by the notion that those they have been stepping on are gaining agency. It is the same reason heterosexuals have become so nervous about the rising voice of LGBT people. The clarion call of an empowered group concerned for its majority is one in which comfiture is involved. This group or that group is making things uncomfortable for said crowd in power.
Women, for example, are often the scapegoat for male lust. Phrases such as, “She was asking for it,” and “Well, look at how she was dressed,” say enough as it is. When you can’t wear a skirt without conjectures of your promiscuity arising, there is a problem.
Reticent homophobes jump on the opportunity to comment on the strident nature of today’s gays, stating all too unanimously that “they make things/us” uncomfortable or that “a little discretion would go a long way.”
Ethnic minorities never fail to have foisted upon them the title of victim when a complaint of race is made, all the while being told by one person or another what a credit to their race they are. Forever marginalized to their racial identity and never a consummate human being, it can sometimes seem the only people allowed to have a multi-spectrum identity are white people.
I find the social ills of bigotry everywhere. Just this last summer I was using the restroom of a movie theater and someone washing their hands next to me asked me if I thought the (insert any number of racial slurs for black people) were being too loud. I realized he had assumed a kind of camaraderie with me based on our white heritage, and that I therefore shared his racist values. Needless to say I made for the exit. Recent events on campus are more telling, such as white boards in residence halls that are commonly drawn with not only racist terminology, but a variety of homophobic and sexist commentary as well.
The issue of politically correct speech has become a growing one in this country, and I find the only people against it are often white and heterosexual — though it is little wonder when one ruminates on the matter. With the power and representation white people enjoy in this country, there is little reason that strongly pejorative terms would have developed for their group. Though some would claim, as one such anonymous white person did in a comment on the Collegiate Times Web site, that white people “don’t allow themselves to be offended by such commentary,” I have to wonder if these people have ever considered the fact that maybe it is because no words truly denigrate white identities. The historical context of the N-word and the vehemence of the word “faggot” make them particularly nasty monikers when handled negatively. In fact, the word “faggot” cannot even be used positively since no affirmative connotation for it exists.
When people claim that words are no big deal I quirk an eyebrow, because if such a statement were true, the Nobel Prize for Literature wouldn’t exist and language — words being the unit by which it is measured — would be utterly meaningless. Such slanted wisdom is professed by those who have never experienced harassment at the hands of a word, stripping you of your humanity and reducing you to a stereotype.
We live in a country that, despite the best professional advice of the American Psychiatric Association, allows Christian institutions to perform reversion therapy instead of solving world hunger and homelessness. How can anyone, with the climate that exists today, make the claim that bigotry is a dying attitude?
Often times when I am speaking to someone who denies privilege I ask if they have taken a women studies course. The usual answer is no, but despite having never experienced such a class the general feeling is that it is one that bashes both whites and men. As someone who has taken two classes and is both white and male, I can say that is not the case.
The call here is not that white people and heterosexuals throw their hands up in apology and surrender but that we recognize the privilege of our identities and work against such unmerited benefits. Men recognize the power they have over women just as heterosexuals and white people need to recognize heterosexism and white privilege. As a nation we need to realize that when one person’s rights are threatened, all of ours are on the chopping block. Instead of pointing the finger where it doesn’t belong, accountability and responsibility need to be the name of the game.
Only through this kind of shared recognition and cooperation will any greater understanding of America’s social dynamics be had. When we can do this, a resolution will be fast in acting and maybe then such identities as “black” or “gay” will no longer define an entire human being.
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So just because I'm white, I'm automatically privileged? I don't think so.
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um. YES. how can white people be unaware of white privilege? this isn't 1950, you should know what white privilege is... just like i'm privileged as a male you're privileged as a white. its just a fact.
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"how can white people be unaware of white privilege" because it's something guilt racist liberals made up to discredit the achievements of white people. You might as well have asked her how are you not aware of bigfoot.
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I have found both white and black people to be poor or rich, the problem is in noticing skin color, we are all people, does it matter?
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haha heterosexism? thats a new one. I like it. and john is right, instead of pointing the finger where it doesn't belong, responsibility is needed. hopefully identities such as "white" and "heterosexual" won't define a human being also. yes we can!
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Yay my comment I made on an earlier column enraged him enough to include it at the beginning of the article Woot!
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Kevin way to break this article down argument by argument and show this for the crap it is. Is there any kind of screening process for the opinion page.
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Thank you.
I don't mean to degrade the author.
The article was very well written/eloquent, but was just plain sniping particular groups of people - THAT is unacceptable.
He needs to say why he feels that a particular action is derogatory, not just single the group out.
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Are you saying that if someone is a certain race or gender their opinion is somehow less valid. That sounds both racist and sexist.
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I discover something new every time I read this thing. I didn't realize you assumed my race to be white when I never mentioned what ethnicity I was. John here being a closet racist burdened with white liberal guilt went ahead and assumed that because we disagreed I must be white. There's no way a minority would think gays are overreacting about slurs I must be an evil white man who looks down on gays from my ivory tower. Lord this is a hoot to read this is like Grissly Man it's a comedy that's not supposed to be funny.
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"On the other end of the spectrum, this frightening and bizarre denial of racism at Virginia Tech" So trying to create an atmosphere of tolerance is denying racism? Do you have anything to back up this claim or is this a load of crap?
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You claim that whites have never had to suffer the indignity of stereotypes but all you do in this article is make sweeping generalizations about whites as a whole. You claim that we are all anti-homosexual, overly-privileged racists. Yet your group is the one being slandered against.
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Yet another article that tries to tell me that white males are the only people capable of racism/sexism/stereotyping, and you wonder why we can't gain any ground on issues?
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Critically analyzing an article is sexist and homophobic? Can't say I've ever heard that before. However if you look at our comments objectively you will find no sexism or homophobia. Disagreeing with you isn't sexist or homophobic it sounds like you might be a tad too sensitive. I actually did read you link and I got to say Peggy is pretty off on her points. So called "white privilege" as she describes it is a result of economics not skin color. The other problem is that she is talking about white privilege from the perspective of whites and many of her points are invalid as a result. Blacks for example have almost none of the problems she mentioned in their communities and the ones that are there are a result of economics not skin color.
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I second anonymous, white privilege as she described it either doesn't exist or is incredibly minor to the point that it isn't worth discussing. I can buy a poster with a white person on it aren't I overly blessed in this country.
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You have it a bit wrong
denying white privilege- disagreement over a complex racial issue that was not defined or elaborated by the author. He simply expected us to accept it at face value and the posters are right to question it. Not racist
Homosexuality is a sin/abomination- not homophobic that is a fact, it comes straight from the Bible which is what determines sin.
And if economic class is the source of privilege than middle class minorities have the exact same thing and it's not unique to whites.
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until a member of your family comes out in the LGBT community, and then you will make an exception, isnt that how traditional Christianity works? The bible also says not to wear mixed fibers, but we have seemed to make an accommodation to that as well. They are your brothers and sisters as well. I am Christian and I am open and affirming. Grow up and realize there is a bigger God that doesn't hate, he loves.
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It is true that God loves all of us even though we are sinners. However, that doesn't change that homosexuality is sin. Leviticus says that a man should not lay with another man as he does a woman. It is an abomination.
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Leviticus only states that not because men having sex with other men is wrong but because it implies that one of the men is taking on the role of a woman, which in the Bible's view would be the man dishonoring himself by purposefully putting himself into a woman's role. The Bible is incredibly sexist and women are definitely not equal to men and that is what Leviticus was saying.
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No Leviticus was stating in the part what is acceptable sexual relations. In that same chapter it also forbids incest.
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If you believe in the Bible you should realize that everyone sins, and there is no "Greater Sin" a sin is a sin from stealing a cookie to killing someone. "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." -Bible
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And on the whole rape issue kevin has a point if a woman dresses to get the attention of men she is going to get it. It is a man's responsibility to control himself but to say the woman bears no responsibility herself to dress more modestly is idiotic.
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Here is a settlement to the argument, why doesn't everyone here go to an LGBTA meeting or BSA meeting or whatever and just voice their complaints there, heck you might even find the author at one. Plus everyone might get some good social skills, maybe.
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Well the internet has given us perfectly fine forum here to comment. Nice try with BSA but no one here has said any really concerning them. Is there a problem with this forum, is an open public discussion too much for you? Do you need us to go somewhere were you have alot more people on your side so the deck is stacked in your favor?
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Well, for one this has no emotion even though there obviously is some here and i don't think if everyone that thought this way came there would be much difference in the numbers; if anything the minorities would be the minority.... go figure. Plus here is hiding Mr. Anonymous.
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In my experience there is a greater number of minorities than majorities in most of the world......?
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i.e. India population compared with U.S. population
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We can all be honest here without threats or intimidation. That's why I disagree with your assertions that it would be better to discuss this at a club meeting. It's a much more civil and productive discussion than we could accomplish talking to each other. You know as well as I do what extremely opinionated people do in discussions and both kinds would be at that meeting.
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And consider this for yourselves...would you give more credit to what I say than to what a white male says?
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Isn't it racist on your part to assume that just because we are white we wouldn't listen to a black woman.
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John have you taken a psychology course on the male and/or female brains? Cause you'd understand more clearly the difference between the two and why a women wearing an incredibly short skirt knows exactly what she's doing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the short skirt...but in my mind I'm very aware that, scientifically speaking, mating is at the forefront of a man's mind much more than it is mine...and if I'm looking for a man, I may use that as a tool.
I assure you women are conscious of their skirt length and that anyone who understands the wiring of a woman's mind will realize her intentions for what they are, though I don't know if "promiscuity" is the most accurate term.
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I don't know where the rest of my comments walked off to, but I did want to respond to this.
I am telling you right here right now that I, a white male, have no privilege over any other person right now. I have worked extremely hard to achieve everything thus far in my life and I WILL NOT concede that my "white privilege" as opposed to my hard work is the reason why.
I don't think anyone here was blaming the clothes for rape. However, I am claiming that promiscuous clothes do not make it any easier for men to overcome feelings of lust. There are issues on both sides - not one or the other.
I don't know that responding to the immature posters at the beginning of the article who call the post "gay" is the argument you want to battle. We already know they are immature.
Calling gays 'sinful' is not meant to single them out in any way, shape, or form. As I said in my post, it is a sin just like when I have feelings of lust or when I lie. Each person is covered by grace, all they need to do is ask forgiveness - regardless of the sin!
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I agree that if a women does not seek that particular kind of attention from males that it is probably in her best interest to "leave something to the imagination". However, I take issue with the way you phrased your comment. You make it seem like you believe that if a woman dresses to get male attention, she not only will get it, but she will deserve it because she did not "bear the responsibility" of dressing more modestly.
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She didn't say "listen to"...she said "give credit".
Different things, my friend.
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It's painfully obvious that you don't know what your talking about.
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Kevin, this article does not attempt to marginalize your hard work by saying that it is because you are white that you enjoy the privileges you have. It does however ask that you recognize that in your hard work, in your successes, white privilege may have made obstacles easier to overcome.
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I think he is saying your opinions are typical of your demographic.
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Isn't it racist anon to assume that because he's white other white people got together and decided to make life easier for him.
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"How much do they pay you to go to sleep with the enemy?" ??? what are you talking about?
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Way to support patriarchy with science!
I guess since you view humans as little more than animals your argument makes sense. But since I believe human beings are greater than the sum of their instincts I have higher standards. If I am angry I might be tacitly driven to kill or hurt someone, that does not make it okay. If I am starving and have no money, I may be driven to steal food; still not okay. Your arguments paints men as the victims of women's bodies. Why don't you get a little self control.
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I think you really fail to understand the concept of de-humanization. You are trying to state that language is meaningless...that words can be robbed of their definition with apathy. It does not work that way. Further, your point fall short since no one should be using the words anyway.
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Which definition of racism are we discussing? Bigotry or a differentiation based on race?
One is bad, the other is harmless.
Of course 'white people got together' to do that. Whether it was indirect or direct, American society caters to certain groups.
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I'm discussing your racism against whites Anon, and how you casually accuse us of engaging in racist activities.
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50th comment Woot! I wonder if that's a record.
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The majority of these comments sicken me. So much for the future...
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I'm a straight woman you fool.
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As long as John keeps the image of white men keeping the world down, it gives others an excuse not to live up to their potential and succeed when they otherwise would. Nothing is expected of the oppressed since the cards are stacked against them. This paves the way for me to have less competition since they just give up; So I'll thank John instead of criticizing him.
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every heard of lower expectations breeding lower attainment and lower achievement? didn't think so...
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lol, I love when white people amount their friends' recognition of racism to some pathological guilt complex. You guys need to wake up and pay attention.
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It true though some of the people here are racist and can't admit it. This denial forces them to become reverse racists out of trying hard to be seen favorably be minorities. Most of the people here that talk about white privilege hate minorities but can't admit how they feel.
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'said the gay man' really? If that isn't your classic homophobic statement. Pandering to the notion that the gays are sexually promiscuous. Not that heterosexuals have very high standards when it comes to commitment...50% of your relationships collapse in divorce.
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Congratulations, you have just PERFECTLY proven John's points.
That was an absolutely disgusting thing to say. I can hardly believe a living, breathing human being wrote them.
Congratulations again.
Note: This was in response to a comment that stated "Your relationships end in AIDS". It has been removed, so my response seems out of context.
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Wait John had points? That's news to me.
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Heterosexual is pretty broad. It applies to heterosexuals that are not white as well. Stop fixating on one faculty of the article.
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The article itself largely focuses on white males in fact he specifically mentions us in the conclusion of the article.
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"I can hardly believe a living, breathing human being wrote them." Do you? Way to overreact, it's obvious you were waiting to be offended.
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John disappoints me. The one time he had a chance to address some disgusting hate speech in a movie theater bathroom...he made for the exit. That is part of where his guilt comes from. So he is redeeming himself with this article to clear his conscience and right the previous wrong he ran away from in the theater bathroom. Better late than never, I guess.
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Not unlike the way you jumped on the opportunity to tell her off, right? Right.
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Anon @ 11:23 PM, you no doubt have taken every opportunity to advocate for all marginalized groups right?
(To name a few: every race, the disabled, LGBT peoples, individuals of all faiths, women, and all the lower socio-economic classes.)
Yes, I am sure you have. No one would ever think you canting.
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When people ask me questions about black people filled with racial slurs, I do say something. I don't head for the exit like he did. Just like when I see somebody seriously abusing a child or a pet, I do something. I don't abandon the situation and write about what a crummy world this is on a blog. But you're right, I don't go out of my way and fly around with a cape with a big "E" for equality and stop all the injustices in the world. I only focus on the ones I encounter
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I'm not African-American. I'm black. I don't come from the shores of Africa nor have I left America. Stop using that term. It's not politically correct. It sounds retarded. I'm going to call all white people Anglo-Americans. How bout dat?
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I can assure you, once again, that I have no bonus privileges being white that made things easier for me.
If anything, based on the ridiculous notion of affirmative action, I am at a sizeable disadvantage.
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How about you chill out and realize that when people describe your skin color they aren't trying to insult you!
Not only that you acknowledged the "African" part of "African-American" in your rant, but you neglected the "American" part.
Honestly, I'm white, people can call me whatever they want to describe my looks. Why do I need to take offense and attempt to correct every single person when offense is not intended?
GROW UP!
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He's serving in a supervisory capacity. So he'll tell us what needs to be done and we go out and do it. His order is that "we recognize the privilege of our identities and work against such unmerited benefits" so hurry up and get that done. Just as soon as I figure out what that means I'll be there to help.
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It's a white people thing. If we don't say African-American then we in the white community brand each other as racists or insensitive. It's quite funny in my opinion. But like you said, it's a term that denotes something other than American and only white people get to be just American. No hyphen needed for us for some reason. Maybe one day white folks will step back and see how silly they are sometimes.
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actually...that is the way it is in society. A point can be made that one group's views, or even a group entirely, is sometimes considered to be less valued. and so just the same, their opinion irrelevant and less valid.
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how could anyone stand up for that type of treatment?
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And these are some of the "best minds" that VT has to offer!! ??
How depressing!
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'When we can do this, a resolution will be fast in acting and maybe then such identities as black or gay will no longer define an entire human being.'
And the author's just doing his part to facilitate this change...by referring to both groups as "black" and "gay" the entire way through his article. Bravo on that one. Way to lead the way.
Also...if you dress like a librarian, one day someone will ask you for a book. Just a thought.
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GREAT article; I'm with you 100% (and I'm WHITE and female!)
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"Shortly after Parks became Mayor in May 2007, Frazer became aware of Parks' bias against hiring white persons." It continues, "When the city was searching for a new Chief of Police, on or about August 2007, Frazer and Murphy felt that the most qualified candidate was a white male with extensive law enforcement experience and no criminal history. However, Parks told Frazer at that time that he would not recommend the Board's candidate for the position because he was white. At Parks' recommendation, the City then hired Michael Baxton, Sr., an African-American male, as Chief of Police, even though he was less qualified than the Board's candidate ... ."
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Yeah, you sound like a self-righteous person that probably only jumps on the soapbox when it is convenient. As someone who knows John and has seen him approach complete strangers about their bigotry I don't think you should be talking.
Let's be honest, you are taking cheap jabs at him because you have an issue with the article. So why don't you just grow a spine and say what it is instead of veiling it with insipid judgments about the author.
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Actually he didn't despite John's ramblings I believe he was talking about racism and sexism hence the title of the article, "Racism, sexism still prevalent today despite what many think." Homophobia isn't racism or sexism.
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shh anon the men are talking
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Good article, John.
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So why won't you put your name on your comment, if you're such a stand-up person?
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Same reason you didn't put yours
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perhaps you meant a "fourth" the size?
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meh I could care less about the spelling sweetheart it conveys the intended meaning just fine
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Well, women's brains may be smaller, but they have more folds than men. And the folds are where most thinking comes from.
Since you, as a male, have fewer folds, I guess nobody can hold your idiotic statement against you.
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Way to not get the Anchorman reference.
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80th comment yeah, but the real question is can we go for 100
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Look at all the masked people throw their stones from out the windows of their glass houses.
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What does close ranks with the LGBT community mean? I bet if there were some specific actions John wants heterosexuals to take there might be more progress.
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Do you really think thats funny
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i do not think you know what affirmative action is if you feel that you are at a disadvantage. most people have a misconception about affirmative action.
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Affirmative action gives everyone except white men special consideration in job and college applications. How aren't I being disadvantaged against with this, but my supposed white privilege is so bad and horrible against minorities.
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Actually it is hilarious and is actually FOR the arguments in this article.
But it is not my job to teach satire to the uninformed people who think along logic lines such as, "He is white therefore he is racist and stereotyping," and then pretend they aren't...
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When does he say that?
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Of course economics plays into these problems but the idea that race isn't also a major factor is ridiculous.
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No. In this country, thank god, we have the right to dress as we please. There is no law against dressing a certain way, nor should there be. There are, however, laws against rape and those who commit such acts bear all the responsibility for them. What we have here is a blame-the-victim attitude. Ugh.
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On issues of race and gender...probably yes. And I say that as a white, heterosexual male. I'm sure you genuinely have more experience with those issues than I do. I just happen to be aware of the privilege that my groups possess and try to work, in the small ways I can, for greater social equality.
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That's not what white privilege is. It is a societal push to support those who resemble the majority/those in power.
No Lie Can Live Forever.
-Martin Luther King Jr.
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Actually, I would say, after observing this conversation, that even knowing the term "White Privilege" classifies you as not a bigot. Being aware of an injustice is the first step to ridding one's society of it. And I can tell you that I am not a bigot. It's also pretty clear given the rhetoric on this comment board that if I did hate minorities I could find plenty of cover. The only hate I have is reserved for those who are willfully blind to the world around them.
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Wow. That may be the stupidest thing on this board.
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"That's because your a dumb broad with a brain a forth the size of a man's, it's science." -Anonymous at 12:45 PM on the 28th.
This is horrifying. And sad. But mostly horrifying.
I never thought I'd actually have to say this but that's completely false. Brain size between the sexes is completely comparable. And I would add that most of the truly intelligent people I know are women. I've known politicians (including several governors), lawyers, doctors, etc. yet most of the people I know who are really capable of critical thinking are women, including my mother, my girlfriend, and several other good friends of mine. If this was a joke, then it was crude and infantile. If it was a genuine statement (and I shudder at the thought), then not only does it prove John's viewpoint in one grammatically incorrect (it should be you're, not your and fourth not forth) statement, it is a reminder to all of us that such views must be fought and defeated wherever they arise. Kudos, Alison and the mature woman who made the initial complement to John's article. Thank you for your strength, intelligence, and maturity in the face of such idiocy.
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In the final analysis, this is a superlative column, argued quite eloquently I might add. Andy Warhol once said that he didn't read what was written about him, he just measured it in inches. Clearly this is a grand one indeed for the discussion it has engendered. It is a clear call for all who support minorities to speak up and use their voices to leave the bigots of this campus, this country, and our world in the dustbin of history. Finally.
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Not an eloquent article. not written well. not argued well. biased. sexist, racist, etc.
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"I have no privilege," says the white man.
Well if you don't say so yourself!
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Mr. Driessnack,
The type of speech that you use in your article is exactly the thing that propagates racism. If were really interested in equality, you wouldn't stereotype Whites, Heterosexuals, and Christians.
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100+ comments...John can start a conversation, definitely have to give him that.
What I love is that there are so many angry people on here commenting, and not one of you has the balls to stand behind your actual names and write an article opposing this. The fact that there hasn't been a formal response for this article since it's come out kinda indicates that although you have no problem whining 'till kingdom come, there are truths to this article that you are too afraid to touch.
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For what it's worth, I thought it was hilarious. And I'm a black, straight, female (saved you the trouble, given the rhetoric on this board, I'm sure you were wondering, ha...)
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Way to not get the Anchorman reference
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Oh he sure did start a conversation by being ignorant and why would I make a response when I've spoken my peace here.
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That was in response to a comment that has been deleted or moved.
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Anon, even though it is wrong to apply a generalization to every single person in a group that does not mean a generalization cannot be made. For example, many gay people would even agree that promiscuity is an issue in the gay community. There are reasons for that. That does not mean every gay man is promiscuous, or even many of them, but enough to get noticed. In the same way, the Black community struggles with homophobia...but it does not mean every Black person is homophobic. White people struggle with racism (primarily as a result of their station) but of course, not all white people are racist. Though many are very ignorant of their privilege.
So it seems you want to discuss individual actions. Why don't you look at the big picture.
10 years to pass a hate crime bill for the LGBT community? Really? Who denies there are hate crimes against those people? The only explanation is that some do not want them protected.
The disproportionate number of poor and imprisoned of Black people vs. Whites, really? I mean we know White people are not superior so why is that? Class issues? Race issues? Systemic discrimination in our courts? Ask those questions.
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To assume that race always does though is ridiculous as well.
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You have to stir the pot up don't you. Both men have a responsibility in this scenario to blame it solely on a man is ridiculous.
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It's still racist. For example i could say eating watermelon is typical in a black demographic, is what I've said ok.
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Speak for yourself not the race, the rest of us aren't closet racists like yourself.
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You are a coward. (to Anon @ 3:06 PM)
Just answered that question.
To all the pusillanimous cheap shots out there with your inane commentary that has proven all the fine and flawless points in my article, I have to say that I am flabbergasted by the fact that no one has responded publicly to my article. Afraid of a little backlash? I thought this article enraged you; don't you have something to say about it? Guess not...maybe because your dirty little secret is out.
Just a thought.
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It's a load of crap is what it is, affirmative action now that's real.
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The defense of white privilege as seen above. I am sure THAT article wasn't skewed or adulterated at all.
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Hey Mike,
It doesn't say that at all. But they are angry because finally it is their identity on the chopping block so they have come to defend it.
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Yeah, but plenty are homophobic. Sounds like that might be your issue.
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You are a bigot but in denial. I'm not attacking you I actually am concerned. The first step is admitting it to yourself. I'd recommend some sort of support group for yourself to help you come to terms with how you feel and help resolve the issues that are plaguing you. As a fellow Hokie we care about this and I wish the best of luck getting better.
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He is talking about Systemic Discrimination. White people have never been enslaved as a result of their race, they have never been attacked nationally or globally, only as individuals. The same can be said of men and heterosexuals.
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You have no accountability? Maybe that's it.
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I don't the point of John's article. The title would suggest it's about racism and sexism but he spends most of the time talking about homosexuality in today's society.
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because he's gay, duh.
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It is really more like denying a truth that 'disagreeing' but whatever makes you feel comfortable and safe in your privilege, that's fine.
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But if they did that then they would actually be faced with opposition and accountability. Why do that when they can cower behind the mask of anonymity and thus say how they TRULY feel? Not to mention they are among so many friends here.
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That's not what either of us were talking about
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Anon at 10:29 AM, who are you kidding?
I mean really...he is against racism so he is a closet racist? I guess that makes all Christians who believe being gay is a sin homosexuals since they are against it. Sound logic.
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Wow, well ladies and gentleman we have a new closet racist posting on this board.
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What does that mean?
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"Why do that when they can cower behind the mask of anonymity" said the anonymous poster.
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Because you don't want to put your name on the line Mr. Impassioned. Why don't you grow a spine and put your name out there. Write a response in the CT if you care so much.
Oh wait, but that would take some courage wouldn't it? Something you have in sparse supply.
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How true.
Here is some affirmative action for whites they often neglect.
White people have had a hold on education for some time in this country. It can be argued that white people have had a hold on university admissions since at least the fifties or sixties. This means they overwhelm other communities with legacy - something that can help you get into college these days despite it saying nothing about your academic capabilities.
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It's not that he's against racism it's how he's against racism. Both you and him are trying to pretend to be tolerant with the acting skill of Al Pacino. When I see someone overcompensating like you two have I know what's going on. Both of you are in denial and need help. I wish you the best of luck in getting it.
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I love how the clarion call of the opposition is that we are closet racists. lol
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Well he would know better than any of us.
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Here is a question for you then.
If a gang of black men beat up a white kid just because he is white, why is THAT not a hate crime? And yes this does happen too.
The disproportionate number of poor, imprisoned blacks is because that is where their majority lies, it is unfortunate. If more black people commit crimes then white people there will be more blacks in jail then whites.
I agree that there is racism out there, but it goes both ways. I have NEVER seen an argument that doesn't stereotype the whites! Every argument against systematic or institutionalized racism is hypocritical because it is making a stereotype or generalization in order to make its point!
People need to wake up and realize that equal means equal, not special treatment. You want to be equal in my eyes there has to be no hate crime laws unless applied to EVERYONE and there has to be no affirmative action and no race based scholarships. There are many other inequalities in this, "White privalaged country" but we don't get enough characters.
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It wasn't but you can't bear to see that you view of the world is incorrect. Your like an agent in the Matrix it's time to unplug from your ignorance.
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Actually they are not cheap shots, though that's what most of your article is. We deconstructed and proved your op ed piece wrong. I've spoken my peace here and don't feel the need to write a new article on the subject. I don't feel strongly on the issue, this article was so ignorant though it enraged me.
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Why don't you write an article that yells about racism and stereotyping that isn't full of just those things?
Hypocrisy does nothing but make your argument, well useless. You come across as intelligent but you would be a horrible debater.
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Bravo Chris great point a 1,000 internets to you
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You're attacking me because you can't attack my points. I've proven you wrong and it upsets you that you can't attack me personally for it.
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I am good at crying on the internet, it is kind of a hobby.
But MAN did i want 1001, way to short change me you racist...
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ROFL that was a good one
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You know I actually believe that the minorities in this country don't want to be equal. I mean think about it, right now any given black/gay/hispanic/female/whatever can sit on their butt and do nothing and go nowhere. Then when asked they can say, "I live in poverty because of the racism/sexism/homophobia/whatever in this country" Everyone cries and agrees with them and they go on living a perfectly happy life of complaining about how the hard working white men are keeping them down.
Now you all get this equality you want. You become lazy in a job, you get fired, you take the company to court and say, "They discriminated against me," and the judge laughs in your face and says, "No you got fired for being lazy deal with it," and you go home and cry because you can't hide behind this nonsense anymore.
Stop using it as an excuse and it will go away. Anyone can find what they are looking for if they look hard enough, you want it to be racist it will be. Are there racists in this country yes is it in the business and institutions no.
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yes, and to take the argument of "the responsibility is partly both the man's and the woman's" further-- would this mean that in the case of rape when the woman was wearing something revealing, that she should go to jail, too? after all, if she holds some of the responsibility for the crime being committed, it would follow that she's guilty too. maybe 15 years for the man and 5 years for the woman? Ridiculous! and it's just as ridiculous to think any victim(of theft, fraud, assault, murder, etc) is partly responsible for the crime!
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Oh, I didn't realize we ALL had to have seen this sub-par movie in order to understand and accept your sexism. Our bad.
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Anchorman is a amazing film but seeing how you don't understand humor I can see why you didn't like it.
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growing up in the city I never heard many conversations about racism. i start going to a school full of white kids and that's all they talk about. i guess talking about issues they hear on MTV is good for their soul
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Yes, MTV, that hard-hitting channel that covers all the tough issues!
Race makes people so uncomfortable, just like homosexuality. I am glad I have the power to make you all feel so uneasy.
Awesome article John, by the way.
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Wikipedia? really?
And of course they are not all lazy but I thought that everyone around here made all arguments based on generalizations so I decided to join in.
See what I did there?
Oh BTW, though you won't believe me because you use wikipedia therefore you are dumb, I am a black male who is dating a white girl who agrees with me, I cover a lot of spectrums there.
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Here is the thing about that Mike, I don't disagree with the findings of those sources but what many fail to realize is that it makes logical sense that women make less then men. That study does not say that women working the same job as men make less money just women in similar pay-grades (Salaried/hourly etc.). So a simple logic thought process solves this disparity gap without using sexism.
There was discrimination when the current business leaders were moving up, so at this point in time there are more men in the higher salary levels then women, so here are some fake numbers to contemplate.
Larry - $150000 - CEO
John - $100000 -VP
Jenny - $80000 - Area MGR
James/Katie/Shannon - $60000 - Branch MGR's
Male Total Salary AVG. - $103333
Female Total Salary AVG. - $66666
Female 64% of male salary.
So you see there are equal number of workers and females in the same exact position make the same exact amount but when viewed overall they make less percent then the men. This is how those stats are calculated. If a company pays any person in the same position less money then the other person in the same position it is discriminatory, but I'm sorry I have NEVER seen that happen if you have sources (not wikipedia) that shows otherwise please share the stories of women in the same positions getting paid less.
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you spelled Grizzly wrong
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systemic discrimination doesn't need to be capitalized.
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Chris,
I could post many more instances and stats like this. If you really feel it necessary, I probably will. Check the instances I've given, if you feel it necessary. They're all there and all true. I've given accessible sources for every claim I've made, unlike you, so I'd say I'm standing on firm ground. Open your eyes to the truth.
Thanks,
Michael Rowand
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If women are cheaper to employ then equivalent males, then, in a free market, wouldn't businesses solely hire women? According to your statistics, they could cut their salary budget by 36% compared to an all male staff! Or maybe, it could be something other then a conspiracy to pay women less. Could it be that women value different benefits of jobs, such as more flexible hours? Could it be that men care less about that, and more about money? Or do companies care so much about hiring males that they are willing to pay thousands of dollars more for the same work....
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meh it conveys the intended meaning just fine as is
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You'd be surprised what the club of boys will do for one another.
And yes, they will pay more if they believe men are better employees...and they no doubt do.
You really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Alas...so many nameless people. No one stands up for what they believe any more unless they can hide behind a mask or in a crowd.
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I agree with everything the author says.
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Me too, John D. ROCKS!
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So, you can see above that Brooke Leonard and Kevin Gillispie have agreed with me.
The kicker is that I POSTED THOSE TWO COMMENTS!
My point?
Because the CT does not make anyone accountable for their comments, though use of anonymity, you claim to be anyone. I know these two individuals would not agree with my article yet due to the CT I can claim to be anyone instead of owning up to my own opinions.
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It enrages you that I've proven you wrong. You are a simpleton that can't argue so now you attack. You would love to know who I am and harass me personally but you can't. So your simple minded solution to this problem is to demand our names rather than change your incorrect view of the world.
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Alright John Driessnack, lets look at this further. Lets say company A does exactly as you say. It's run by "the boys club" and they hire males at considerable more expense then equally qualified women. Why then doesn't company B come along and hire women cheaper? Are there no companies where women do the hiring? Clearly there are. If your premise is correct, then all it takes is one company to not go along with the "boys club" and clean everyone's clock. This will always happen in a free market, that is, if women really got paid less for the same work. Mr. Driessnack, a free market will not tolerate discrimination that is detrimental to the success of a company. Those companies fail. Much like your article, and your complete lack of logic and economic literacy.
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What the writer did here was not an attempt to harass you...get over yourself. You haven't proven anything to anyone. In fact, how hypocritical of you, since all you and the numerous others who have posted comments anonymously to this article have done is little more than virtually tarring and feathering John, complete with the added benefit of veiling your true identities.
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talk about not harassing people. "get over yourself?" seems you and John should be taking that advice.
Tarring and feathering would only happen so much in the postings of one article if it went against the mainstream of thinking. Which apparently John has decided to make a martyr of himself by doing so, albeit one who hasn't died (metaphorically of course).
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Why does he want to know my name then? Also how is hypocritical, I haven't spoken out against anonymous posting.
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That's clearly not why Mr. Driessnack is against anonymous posting. It's because it allows someone to express vehemently racist, homophobic, and sexist comments without having any responsibility for them. Most SANE people would ostracize associates who expressed the kind of bigoted BS unleashed on this comment board, and the people who do so realize this and hide behind the permissible anonymity.
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Thank you, Amelia. The idea that victims are somehow responsible for the crime committed against them is insane.
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Quite an assumption assuming everyone to be white.
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A free market would also have let fall companies like AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, but that didn't happen.
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I'm a fan of equal pay for equal results. So do these women that receive less pay achieve the same results or is it for the same results? I'm not being a smarty pants here, I would find it amazing that women get paid less for a better/equal performance.
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This comment was just too spicy for some people:
I agree with you John. All whites are privileged. You don't want to be like those Christians you mentioned in your article who spend all day talking about therapy and psychobabble nonsense. Gay white men who humbly bridge the gap between agent and target groups are men of action! If you don't want to be a hypocrite like those damned Christians (who need to get off their lazy asses and solve world hunger and homelessness) then you need to show the world that you're serious about white privilege and give up your seat at Tech to a more deserving underprivileged target group victim minority person. You don't want to look like a hypocrite do you? Enjoying all the privileges that you didn't earn while target groups suffer? So I agree with your article 100% John now its time to show the world you're not just full of crap and put your money where your mouth is.
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Ill wait for your retort on these small points before I jump in with both feet (and believe me, its coming) on every other issue. And by the way, I put my real name up for you. Im not scared of you. I stand firmly in my beliefs; something that few Americans do today. Instead, America has become weakened by a liberal mindset of roll over and ask for a handout. Youve asked for someone to stand up with their name, now you have it. And to begin to call me racist, youd be far, far off point. Both of my roommates are black, Ive had girlfriends of different nationalities and ethnicities. Youre going to have a hard time pinning that on me. Political correctness has gone too far, and Im here to take up for what should be the moral compass of this country. Mr. Driessnack, I await your response. Mr. Rowland, I hope to enjoy your response, as well.
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Given the expanse of his vocabulary he probably would have recognized the word.
Also, the word faggot as used for cigarettes is not positive. It is neutral. It is a name for an object. There is no negative or positive connotation about it. I think what he meant was that you cannot use it as a compliment.
By the way, throwing out insults like twit makes you appear very under control and not in anyway so enraged as to render you incapable of civility.
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I like fags in england!
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Oh, well if your roommates were black then there is no way. Of course, no one would ever think you a racist. You should read Things White People Like. You'd love it.
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Yes "white female". No one is going to a ever ask you to speak for your entire race, or if you were ever elected to an office no one will say "it's because she is white". No one is going to follow you around in a store because "those whites always steal". Also try looking around you, many of those that occupy positions or power are white. No all, but many.
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Except that rape is not about sex, it's about power. Otherwise only really hot young women wearing revealing clothing would be raped. Which is not the case. Ugly women, old women, women wearing sweatpants etc. are raped. If you cannot control your actions that it is your fault, not the woman's. When you were younger was it ok for you to hit someone because they called you a name or looked at you funny?
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Yes that was the whole point of the early years of school. Hurt or be hurt you had to punch out a guy that mocked you.
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That's because blacks do steal and they do so at disproportionately large rate. As far as Obama goes lots of people voted for him on the basis that he was black, how many people did you say that they wanted to tell their kids they voted for the first black president.
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If anybody voted for Obama because he was black then that would be making a decision based on race which would make them a racist.
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Which alot of people did do.
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You're mad because it's true J., way to be a hypocrite. See it's easy to call out my cowardice when you don't even include your name. Rather than attack my point because you can't you attack me and ultimately reveal more about yourself then you do me. Remember everytime you point a finger 3 more are pointing back at you.
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If you voted for Obama because he was black, and you are black, and you were tired of having presidents you could not identify with, so you voted for Obama for cultural reasons, while that decision may be based on race, it is not necessarily a bad thing.
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I would love to see you say that without a mask over your face you bigoted coward.
to Anon at 12:04 PM Nov. 1st
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Let us stop fighting here, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Here I see anger causing more anger and this will accomplish nothing. We need to come together in God's love because he loves each and everyone of you very much. These matters are solved with love and understanding not hate and indifference. Let us unite in God's glory, Praise his name!
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Yeah Rev. Jimmy, everything would be just dandy if we could all gather in Christ and hold hands...even though some of us aren't Christians, but sure, I get what you're saying. The problem is that many (NOT ALL...I can already hear your indignant huffing, calm down) of your "brothers and sisters", for example, Christians that attend this university, don't exactly share your loving attitude. They are people that perpetuate the judgment of others (i.e. individuals in the LGBT community) because I guess that's what they believe God wants them to do. It's pretty sad since I know that above all, God wants us to love one another, and treat others as we would be treated. That is what the Bible is all about. It's not about forcing others to believe lest they burn forever in a fiery pit. It's about loving one another enough to show the concern you have for another person's soul by telling them "The Good News". God alone is supposed to be the one that judges us all; it's not up to us to decide who is condemned or not.
Like Ghandi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."
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God loves you Anita and as a fellow child in Christ I love you, but I see unresolved feelings towards people in your above post. I don't huff at your posts because I see your exuberance, it is common to have strong beliefs when we are young. I want to consider that perhaps those with whom you quarrel are the same as you, full of strong beliefs not yet tempered in the fires of moderation. Love them as you love yourself because you are equal to God. Remember Jesus gave his life so that everyone may be saved and he loves you regardless of any imperfection.
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Nice cop-out on discussing the actual issue at hand, Rev. Jimmy. You have indeed reassured me of Christ love.
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And even if it is true that these other people "with whom I quarrel" also have strong beliefs, the ways in which we go about spreading these beliefs are totally different. Please be sure to also remind them to love others as they love themselves- they seem to have forgotten.
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I am not the only one the lord has blessed with a tongue and determination. You child have the fiery passion that accompanies youth and a talent for speaking your mind. We must remember that we must strive to be Christlike in our day to day activities remember it is He that has infinite patience and forgiveness. I would challenge you to do the same, and be an instrument of change yourself. Jesus did not dine with the pharisees he met with those who have been led astray. Take that message to heart Anita God Bless.
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Yet the bible tells us to stone non-believers, stone unruly teenagers, stone women who have sex before marriage, and basically to kill everyone who doesn't follow gods will. So yeh what a compassionate loving guy he must be.
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Chris I sense frustration in your post but worry not for the Lord loves you. He will reach out to you and save you, I want you to take Mathew 7:7 to heart "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."
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Yep Jesus loves everybody, except for Atheists, Gays, Lesbians, Science, Muslims, Anybody who speaks against his word (Ego?)
Just the kind of guy Id want to talk to...
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Wow Chris you have some issues. At this point it's becoming obvious that you have a need to hate Christianity rather than simply disagreeing with it. If you knew anything about Jesus you would know that he loves everyone and that includes you. No one is excluded from the Lord's love.
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Really Jimmy? So the lord has no rule that says I should be killed for not believing in him right? Quote me the part of the bible that says, "Anyone who doesn't believe in the lord is fine just let them be because it is their right to believe what they want."
Hmm, wait that sounds more like another document...its name escapes me...but I was so sure the bible had something about killing and burning naysayers...
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Why are you attacking a priest Chris, whats wrong.
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He's probably upset his side didn't get it's way in Maine. Once he's done crying he'll stop lashing out at people trying to help him.
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Funny how when I express my feelings about how religion is based in violence I need help but when the pope orders a crusade to kill thousands of infidels they are just doing gods work.
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Wish they had an edit button...
If they voted to keep Gay Marriage in Maine then I wouldn't be the one who was upset seeing as I don't hide behind religion to justify discrmination.
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Chris I know your upset but things will improve. It was just a vote that proved even in new england your opinion is in the minority. You will come to terms will it and stop lashing out at those who are trying to help you. Do you have friends to help you in this difficult time. If they don't have the patience to put up with you Jesus does and he'll forgive you no matter the extent of your sin.
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Over 200 comments!
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anita, i think i have fallen in love with you. i don't understand how so many christians have missed the point of the gospel, the golden rule all religions are built on seems to have been forgotten, and it leads to people in glass houses throwing stones. people think that they are right because they can quote scripture, but they will never know what is in god's heart. what happened to loving your brother? not bashing him.
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The contents of the hundreds of these comments are the best proof for the article: "Racism, sexism still prevalent today despite what many think"!!!
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Yeah I know what you mean alot of people here have racism against whites.
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I'm glad to see people got out and voted especially Maine the people have spoken.
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YES! I HATE LARRY JOHNSON! Why don't you toughen up you breeders! Candyasses!
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Aw did the faggot get his feelings hurt
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Willie hears you, Willie doesn't care
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You can't see the bottom of the comments section, eventually the see 20 more comments button disappears with the rest of the comments that get cut off at the bottom.
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undermining the significance of the issue of "white privileges" is as ignorant as saying "global warming doesn't exist" even though there is blatant proof. Although the author directs the correlation of privileges to skin color, it's more economically based. Such examples are provided by health care companies, and job wages which are unequally distributed by race and sex. White males are the highest payed minority. Denying facts is futile, and ignorant.
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