Athletics department pressured to alter student ticket process

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The Virginia Tech men’s basketball team has experienced a successful season, especially at home, where the Hokies are 14-1. Some of their most loyal fans, however, were not able to witness the Hokies’ victories in Cassell Coliseum.

Since last year, the SGA has made efforts to hear and deal with complaints about the way students get tickets to basketball games.

Brandon Carroll, SGA president; Eric Rucinski, SGA representative to the athletics committee; and Abby Boggs, Hokies on Fire president, have been working to make the home basketball games more accessible.

Talking with students, collecting data, examining practices employed by other schools and running test programs through Hokies on Fire are just some of the ways the SGA is trying to come to a conclusion.

Athletics, however, hasn’t seen the need to change the current ticketing system because of the issue of fairness to all students. SGA has proposed Tech look to ACC peers for ideas.

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The procedures in place at other ACC schools offer alternative systems for Tech to consider.

Many schools utilize a hybrid of an online lottery system and waiting in line. And although Tech doesn’t use a loyalty point system, many schools do.

At the University of Maryland, the online system “Ticket Return” tracks the number of ticket requests for certain games. Students can apply for a ticket online two weeks before a game.

If more tickets are requested than seat capacity, the system automatically turns the requests into a lottery. This “doesn’t usually happen” in the case of football, according to assistant athletics director of ticket services, Matt Monroe — but it usually occurs for men’s basketball.

This lottery is 25 percent based on a weighted loyalty system. Students get two points for every UMD sporting event they attend, so students who attend a game are 25 percent more likely to win the lottery than students who do not attend any games, and those who attend more games have an advantage over those who attended fewer games.

Monroe said UMD considers its system “safe and easy.”

Florida State University runs first-come, first-serve, with students being able to walk up to the ticket distribution window on the day before and the day of a game.

“The walk-up line before the game can get pretty significant,” said Ben Zierden, director of ticket operations at FSU.

FSU’s system is similar to the system in place at Duke. Two separate systems for undergraduate and graduate students control who can wait in line for tickets. Many Duke students camp out for days waiting for tickets. The camping area is traditionally known as “K-ville” and is controlled by student line monitors.

“There’s also a culture in the camp out area,” said Bart Smith, Duke’s director of promotions. “There’s a lot of community there.”

Getting points under UVa’s loyalty-based SHOTS system through attending Cavalier sporting events not only improves fans’ chances of winning tickets in lotteries but also grants them priority seating.

“Students receive points for attendance at men’s basketball games as well as selected Olympic sports events that help them with priority for men’s basketball tickets. UVa uses a timed entry system so that those students with the most points get both more chances in any lottery and the best time to enter for the general admission seating,” Jim Daves, assistant director of athletics for media relations, said in an e-mail.

Different schools have reported different issues with their ticketing systems.

At UMD, some ticket scanners have malfunctioned, Monroe said. He also said sometimes if the ticket request system gets overloaded, students couldn’t access their accounts, adding that the system also occasionally fails to count the points students receive from attending games.

At FSU, the walk-up lines for basketball games can sometimes get long since it doesn’t use an online ticketing system for basketball. Zierden said many SEC schools use general admission whereas most ACC schools use the block or assigned seating methods.

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A version of this article appeared in the Mar 3 issue of the Collegiate Times.

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Melanie | # March 2, 2010 @ 11:54 PM — Flag Comment

Our lottery sucks. I am a senior and I have gotten less than 10 tickets my entire time at VT for basketball... I am so sick and tired of hearing about freshmen getting season tickets too - I have never gotten those either and it's pretty ludicrous. Priority should be given to upperclassmen and people who go to other sporting events because they clearly care more about vt athletics and upperclassmen have less games they can even go to before they graduate!

Stand-by is nice when you're a freshman and live close, but when you can't park anywhere and it's 5 degrees outside, it's not reasonable. Real fans want to watch the game no matter what, so they wouldn't miss the first-half standing out in the cold on washington street...

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Malcolm | # March 3, 2010 @ 1:23 AM — Flag Comment

you wouldn't miss the first half, you might miss 5 minutes. If you really want to get in, there is a way. If you really care, you can find a way in. I firmly believe that. Hustle around to get tickets, its every man for themselves in this world of getting tickets. That is why I try to help out as many friends as I can. Priority can not just be given to upper class men, because who says a senior is a better more knowledgeable fan than a freshman? It probably is true, but who wants tickets to go to a Senior girl, who only attends games because her brother is on the team? Who hasnt attended games in the past because it didnt fit a social schedule.

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JC | # March 3, 2010 @ 1:30 AM — Flag Comment

The point is that if you don't get in, you miss a lot by the time you get home to watch (up to an hour if you took the bus on a weekend, 10-30 minutes depending on where you can park/live.) Even walking downtown takes 5-10 minutes from Cassell.

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Malcolm | # March 3, 2010 @ 3:56 PM — Flag Comment

Do you know anyone who has not made it in the stadium via "Stand By" line, other than the (was it Clemson game?) where they announced days before that ALL STUDENTS could make it in FREE. That game had appeal to everyone, as a social event, guys and especially girls who wouldnt normally go, wanted to go. So as I stated before, do you know anyone who has not made it in the stadium via "Stand By" line other than that one game? The stand by line is not fully utilized...until it is, things will not change.

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Rob | # March 3, 2010 @ 6:54 AM — Flag Comment

Real fans don't let 5 degree tempatures stop them. If it were 5 degrees in Lane Stadium, you would still walk and attend? If you are truly an avid fan you do what ever is possible to make a game which is why Ive used the stand-by pass every chance ive been given the opportunity.

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Andy | # March 3, 2010 @ 2:15 PM — Flag Comment

Tickets should be based on seniority. I'm a senior, and I've only gotten one ticket in the lottery all year. This sucks, because I am graduating. Freshmen, you have 3 more years, you don't deserve tickets now IMO.

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JC | # March 3, 2010 @ 1:27 AM — Flag Comment

Problem with standby:
If I do get in, I've missed the first 5+ minutes.
If I don't get in, I've missed the first 10-15 minutes by the time I get home, longer if I took the bus.
The risk is not worth it to an avid fan who does not want to miss a minute of the action TV or live. Although this may not be an issue yet, if Standby does get popular, it will be.
Change HokieShare: Great idea, dissapointing execution.
-Why do you have to find someone to share with? Give the option for the ticket to just go back into the lottery or resell it. Just get the ticket in someone's hand who can see the game.
-Encourage it! For example, give extra hokie club points to alumni who pass their ticket back to students.
-Why does it cost money to use? $4 dollars for a computer to process the ticket that has already been paid for onto an email address? If I'm wrong and there is a legitimate reason for the fee, keep it; the first two points are more important.

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Leslie | # March 3, 2010 @ 8:49 AM — Flag Comment

"Give the option for the ticket to just go back into the lottery or resell it. Just get the ticket in someone's hand who can see the game."

This is a great idea. I have season tickets, and because of other extracurricular commitments I haven't been able to make it to all of the games. I try my hardest to make sure someone gets my ticket, though, and this would make that process MUCH easier. It's easy enough to put a check box or something designating which tickets someone will use on a website for season ticket holders, just like they do for the lottery.

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Who Do I E-mail | # March 3, 2010 @ 6:09 AM — Flag Comment

What is SGA's email? I assume it is sga@vt.edu.

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Leslie | # March 3, 2010 @ 9:05 AM — Flag Comment

The Clemson game should be a huge indication of the need for change to the current system. The line for students to get in free with their IDs extended blocks down Washington Street from the Cassell doors. Students WANT to go to games, if access to them is available, and that game proved it.

Another thing that's really discouraging to me as a season ticket holder is to go to a game, see the student section packed, and then look out into the rest of the maybe half-full stands. It's not fair to the TONS of students that want to just come to a game to hear there's no room for them, when in reality there is. I think that's the biggest problem, regular season ticket holders that buy them just for Duke and Carolina and other "key" ACC matchups, and don't show up to anything else. Do a standby line for these seats, just like for the Clemson game.

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Leslie | # March 3, 2010 @ 9:11 AM — Flag Comment

A 250-word limit? Not nearly enough for what I have to say about this.

If students are that serious about wanting to go to a game, they'll do anything in their power to go, most times short of paying exorbitant amounts to a ticket scalper (which I've done, let's be honest here). Just make it possible for them to go! It's not fair that the students of this university can't even go support their sports teams because their attendance isn't valued as much as the attendance of the donors. I think the biggest change needs to not be in the system itself, but in the perspectives of Jim Weaver and everyone else that works in the athletic department. You can't honestly expect me to believe that regular season tickets are sold out every season like they are for football (which is very obvious to anyone that sets foot inside Lane Stadium, there's not an empty seat in the place). Figure out some way to give the empty seats throughout Cassell to the students. And if the donors have a problem with that, tell them to show up to a game for once.

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Class of '91 | # March 3, 2010 @ 1:27 PM — Flag Comment

I applaud the enthusiasm of the students, but you guys are coming from a purely emotional stand, which is great, but just not realistic. The majority of donors and Hokie Club members are 2+ hours away from Blacksburg, they arent going to make every game. Cassell has no club or luxury suite seats to offset lost ticket revenue by "giving away" seats. Season tix this year are $400+... the $78 for student tix would be a huge loss as well to offer more of those. This is the cold hard truth of big time college athletics... you need to the revenue to be successful and build the facilities.. especially since all the money for athelitic facilities has to come thru private money, no state money is used. It appears that a stand-by system is going to be your best bet or looks like nothing at all. You have to make that call... miss 5-10 mins of the game and get inside, or stay put at home not be part of the atmosphere. You will have to trust me on this one as an alumni now, but you will look back when you have graduated and see this conversation again (unless we have a new arena) and see and appreciate thru a whole different set of eyes!! Stay passionate and keep trying to figure it out though!!

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Frank | # March 3, 2010 @ 3:08 PM — Flag Comment

Yes, public season tickets are about $400 more then the the student cost. I would not be against a increase in the student season tickets. I would not be against paying the 470 if i could get ok money for the games i cannot attend. Maybe it is time to raise the price of the student season tickets.

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Ianni | # March 3, 2010 @ 3:13 PM — Flag Comment

My primary concern was and still is the people that signed up for the lottery just to sell the ticket. I have never once sold a student ticket nor have I sold a season ticket higher than face value. A loyalty program seems like a great idea to help stop people from signing up for the Miami game for football or the Duke/UNC game for basketball only to turn around and sell it. And I would love to see a system of punishment for people who do sell FREE tickets that they have done NOTHING to earn.

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e | # March 9, 2010 @ 11:08 PM — Flag Comment

Im a Junior since my freshman year I've had season tickets. ive done this buy signing up for the lotto and having friends who could care less about basketball sign up for me. that system has worked for me

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