Students vote on Westboro protest response

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SGA President Brandon Carroll and Director of Government Affairs Brittany Anderson consult in Saturday's meetings.

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Correction: This story has been modified from its original version. — This story has been modified from its original version. Albert Snyder is the name of the father of a slain U.S. marine whose funeral was picketed. The Collegiate Times regrets this error.

Virginia Tech and Blacksburg leaders are preparing a response to an upcoming protest from the Westboro Baptist Church in relation to slain Tech student Morgan Harrington.

Members of the church, based in Topeka, Ks., have received negative attention for their protests at military funerals as well as anti-gay and anti-Semitic rhetoric.

A calendar post on the Westboro Baptist Church’s Web site, godhatesfags.com, says the group will protest April 9 in downtown Blacksburg, outside Blacksburg High School, and the Virginia Tech branch of Hillel.

About 30 people circled together inside Owens Dining Hall Saturday afternoon to discuss a unified response. The meeting, led by Student Government Association president Brandon Carroll, tossed around several ideas in handling the church.

“We want everybody on the same page,” Carroll said.

Among the propositions discussed were whether or not a counter-protest should be organized and if T-shirts would be commissioned. Carroll said that the SGA had proposed $250 for a counter-protest. Carroll also created a Google group, HokieNationResponse.

While some at the meeting proposed blocking the group’s proposed protest location, members of the group pointed out the action would be illegal under town code.

Article II, Section 15-203 of the Blacksburg Town Code prohibits persons from physically interfering with demonstrations, or addressing protestors with “profane, indecent, abusive, or threatening language.” Violation of the code is punishable as a Class 3 misdemeanor.

The group voted, agreeing that a counter-protest will be formed. In addition, the group suggested that a fundraiser be created to counter the group. While the proposed fundraiser would generate money for the amount of time church members protested, no specific details of the proposed fundraiser were discussed.

After the meeting, Carroll said he hoped the Tech community would “prove to them they’re not welcome in our community.”

“We’re tough-skinned people who won’t be affected by them,” Carroll said.

While online commentators have claimed the church is protesting about the shootings of April 16, 2007, church officials said their protest will make no mention of the 2007 shootings. This comes as a result of a previous agreement with radio host Mike Gallagher.
With the group preparing to protest in Blacksburg in the immediate aftermath of the shootings, Gallagher agreed to give the group two hours of airtime, in exchange for the group agreeing to not picket the funerals of shooting victims. Gallagher described the agreement as “the right thing to do.”

“If my radio show can prevent a circus atmosphere of protests, counter-protests, police protection, and media coverage from taking place in front of churches where grieving families are trying to say good-bye to their loved ones, then I think that’s a good thing,” Gallagher said, in an April 22, 2007 post on townhall.com.

Church officials said they were not protesting the 2007 shootings, saying they were “coming for the event that happened last month,” referencing slain student Morgan Harrington. A 20-year-old education major, Harrington was found in late January 2010 after going missing in October 2009 while attending a Metallica concert in Charlottesville, Va.

“We’re not going to bring our sign that said, ‘God sent the shooter.’ No, no, we’ll leave that one at home.’” said Shirley Phelps-Roper, eldest daughter of church founder Fred Phelps. “We’ve got a sign that says ‘God sent the killer.’”

The church’s protest at Blacksburg High School is against Kevin Jennings, Assistant Deputy Secretary for the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools at the U.S. Department of Education.

Montgomery County Schools Superintendent Brenda Blackburn said no determination has been made on how they would communicate to students and parents about the protest. Classes will be in session on April 9.

“We are specifically working with town of Blacksburg law enforcement … speaking with them about what plans they have about police coverage in the area,” Blackburn said. “That’s the extent of what we’re doing at this moment.”

The church will end its day rallying against the Tech branch of Hillel, with a protest set for the Blacksburg Jewish Community Center on East Roanoke Street in Blacksburg.

Sue Kurtz, executive director of Tech’s Hillel, was not available for comment Monday.

The LGBTA community has also shown outrage about the church’s protest. Aimee Kanode, a senior humanities, science, and environment major at Tech and president of Tech’s LGBTA said she would not attend the protest, as she has work on the day of the protest.

“These people are awful, appalling, despicable,” Kanode said. “My method is to just ignore them. Me wasting energy on those people is not worth my time.” Kanode said that while the group would not officially organize for the protest, several members and officers would be in attendance. Kanode said she advised her members to “be smart about it.”

“Be safe and know what you can and cannot do,” Kanode said. Jean Elliot and Ken Belcher, co-chairs of Tech’s LGBT Caucus, declined a request for comment on the protest.

Another concern for community members is the potential for the protest to take away from other events for the day. Among the events scheduled for April 9 include a memorial for David Seth Mitchell, a US Marine killed in Afghanistan and Tech’s Relay for Life event, which is a fundraiser for cancer research.

Whitney Law, a senior communication major and director of Tech’s Relay for Life, declined immediate comment on the protest.

The group’s protest is a major example of the challenges of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

Joseph Russomanno, an associate professor at Arizona State University and expert of first amendment and media law, said the law allows for the expression of controversial topics, describing it as a “marketplace of ideas.”

“We as a society can select from variety of viewpoints and facts and decide where we want to go on particular issues,” Russomanno said. “We allow all ideas into discussion, and select the best ones.”

The Westboro Baptist Church’s protests have drawn the attention of the courts, with several members arrested at their protests.

Members of the church are set to appear in front of the Supreme Court in the case of Snyder v. Phelps. Albert Snyder, the father of a slain U.S. marine, was initially awarded $10.9 million following the church’s picket of his son’s funeral. With the reward reduced to $5 million, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals later overturned the ruling in the church’s favor. The court agreed to review the case March 9, 2010.

“This case, this ruling has the potential to be a very important First Amendment ruling,” Russomanno said.

The Westboro Baptist Church will start its April 9 protest at 1 p.m on the corner of North Main Street and East Roanoke Street. The church will then proceed to Blacksburg High School at 2:15 p.m., and the church will finish in Blacksburg with a 3 p.m. protest at the Blacksburg Jewish Community Center on East Roanoke Street.

A version of this article appeared in the Mar 30 issue of the Collegiate Times.

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 12:05 AM — Flag Comment

at least one person has some smarts:
Kanode said. My method is to just ignore them. Me wasting energy on those people is not worth my time.

Can't say the same about SGA, who apparently will push until someone assaults a WBC member and the church sues and gets more money to travel around and do this with.

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Mohawk-John Woods | # March 30, 2010 @ 12:10 AM — Flag Comment

I for one am incredibly pleased by the response of the student body, the SGA, and LGBTA. Thank you, everyone.

Class of 2007

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Sam | # March 30, 2010 @ 9:53 AM — Flag Comment

I agree. The idea of a fundraiser, where money is donated based on how long they protest is a good one. It turns their hate into something positive. You can't make hate go away by ignoring it.

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Concerned | # March 30, 2010 @ 10:54 AM — Flag Comment

What one group did in California was to join the protest, but hold up ridiculous signs like "God Hates Twitter" and other silly things in an attempt to dilute the protest. If you Google it, I'm sure you can find it.

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Mary Z | # March 30, 2010 @ 6:10 PM — Flag Comment

This is not a free-speech issue. What the Westboro Baptist church engages in is torture of Military families as they bury their children and the entire Phelps family should have been hauled off in chains when they first showed up at Matthew Shephard's funeral years ago. There is no greater pain than to lose a child and to have that loss ridiculed and mocked while in the very process of burying that child is tantamount to criminal assault and should be treated as such. Ignoring these people does about as much good as ignoring the growing rat population in a declining neighborhood.

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betty rose | # March 31, 2010 @ 1:34 PM — Flag Comment

if this is christian i want nothing to do with it.. i will stay with my native grandfather... the great spirit .. at least we dont go around causing people more pain after you loose a child.. that is one of the saddest times in a persons life and to have people hollering in the background that they are glad he is dead would be to much to bear,,

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someone who care | # March 31, 2010 @ 5:20 PM — Flag Comment

As for as I am concerned, anyone that would do what those so called christian did to a family who's Son that had give his life for our freedom are trash and they should be put in a trash can and carry to the dump. They will reep what they are doing sometime in their life.

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Mathis | # March 30, 2010 @ 7:33 PM — Flag Comment

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [and women] to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

Those who want to remain silent in the face of this kind of hatred do not know what it is like to be marginalized and have no one speaking on your behalf.

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1986 alum | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:42 PM — Flag Comment

Any counter-protesters that feel the need to be there should simply keep their backs to the WBC idiots, their mouths shut, and hold up signs that simply say "WBC = IRRELEVANT".

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 12:50 AM — Flag Comment

Shirley Phelps has an illegitimate son, we need to bring that up. Let's wave signs with the child's picture on it and in big letters it says hypocrisy beneath it.

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JeffieM | # March 30, 2010 @ 1:13 AM — Flag Comment

Don't worry about the hypocrisy. Don't worry about the people. Trust that your ideas are bigger than theirs.

I personally don't believe that what these people claim to represent is even worth protesting. It is so far removed from our culture that no one who stumbles upon the event will really agree to anything WBC might say. A counter protest will only draw attention to their stupidity.

Besides, I'm against picketting. I just don't know how to show it.

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 8:37 AM — Flag Comment

I agree that they should be ignored I'm just saying that if you are going to counter protest do it right. I think they should stand on the street corner alone and ignored. The gays are doing themselves a disservice by giving them attention. But if you are going to go down that road go for the jugular.

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:45 AM — Flag Comment

To the anonymous commenter above: According to the article, the LGBTA is not responding to the situation, so the gays are not giving them attention. The SGA is organizing the counter-protest.

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Adam | # March 31, 2010 @ 1:16 PM — Flag Comment

Don't steal a Mitch Hedberg quote and not cite his name with it. "I'm against picketing; I just don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

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Friend | # March 30, 2010 @ 1:42 AM — Flag Comment

The best way to handle such protesters like Westboro Baptist is not to give them an audience.

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JeiC | # March 30, 2010 @ 9:27 PM — Flag Comment

Regardless of an audience or not, the media will go and report just for the story. If theres two separate protest groups go for it, steal their media attention.

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Dan | # March 30, 2010 @ 2:28 AM — Flag Comment

I think that everyone that would be at any sort of counter-protest should register for relay for life instead. Let them stand alone on the curb, preaching to no one. You only legitimize their message in their own heads by giving them an audience.

I urge anyone who feels the need to do something about this to do relay for life, as it will be far more productive than butting heads with idiots.

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Local Guy | # March 30, 2010 @ 9:10 AM — Flag Comment

The best response is no response. Counter protest just brings them more publicity.

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Jules | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:11 AM — Flag Comment

I think as many people as possible should show up for a counter-protest, wearing really good earplugs, with each person holding a boom box blasting Metallica at the crazy haters, in honor of Morgan Harrington's love of music. Wear all black like Morgan did on the night she disappeared. Crank up the volume, and let 'em have it with some head-bangin' metal.

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Sean | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:37 AM — Flag Comment

I agree. If we get people to park on the street all the way down their route and just leave the windows down and the music up, it will drown them out. There is no legal reason we can't.

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Jason | # March 31, 2010 @ 2:27 PM — Flag Comment

The legal reason you can't is because you would be breaking town ordinance section 13-103(8).

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Anon | # March 30, 2010 @ 5:56 PM — Flag Comment

I have half a mind to play Lady Gaga (whom they've spoke out against) and other music that they would hate as loud as I possibly can.

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jcitizen | # March 31, 2010 @ 11:02 AM — Flag Comment

sean you got the right idea bud.

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Mary | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:25 AM — Flag Comment

Not everybody at Virginia Tech hates the WBC. Some people actually agree with them that God hates homosexuals. Not only that, God hates non-homosexuals who advocate for the homosexual lifestyle. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this very sin. Do you stupid Americans think you are so special to God that He won't destroy YOU for doing the same thing?

Also, No, I am not a member of the WBC.

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me | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:34 AM — Flag Comment

So Morgan WAS gay. Yep, knew it. Changes the whole bunch of suspects doesn't it? I bet Amy and Sarah are running for the potty now.

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Gadi | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:56 AM — Flag Comment

So, you have chosen to reject the Principles of Community that we have adopted here at VT?

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 2:04 PM — Flag Comment

God does NOT hate.
Therefore, God does NOT hate fags.
God hates no one.
Only people can hate - and the freakish goons at Westboro are proof.
They will NEVER WIN.
Ever.
So bring it on freaks - 'cause you have no idea what you are walking into ... lots of LOVE!

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 2:25 PM — Flag Comment

If you're not a member of the WBC than you are a troll but there isn't a difference between the two if you really think about it.

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Anonymous | # March 31, 2010 @ 11:29 AM — Flag Comment

one hundred percent fact.

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smart American | # March 30, 2010 @ 2:58 PM — Flag Comment

leave the country if you don't Americans or I can help you leave forcefully

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American looking for terrorists | # March 30, 2010 @ 3:03 PM — Flag Comment

Gadi, where are you located? Some of us stupid American would like to meet you and educate you or evict you from this country if you are in it..

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Chris | # March 30, 2010 @ 7:04 PM — Flag Comment

First of all...God and hate doesn't go together. Not everyone believes in God. This country is supposed to be a free country. And if we are such stupid americans...then you can move out of this country along with the wbc. If 2 men or 2 women want to love each other, that is their business. Worry about yours. Follow your own beliefs and stop trying to shove them down other's throats. Enough with the hate already!

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Annonymous | # March 31, 2010 @ 1:37 AM — Flag Comment

There is a way to agree that the Bible says practicing homosexuality is wrong without becoming hateful like the WBC.

I believe the Bible says something about removing the plank in your own eye before attacking the speck in your neighbor's. It also says something about "upright" and "law-abiding" people who use God's laws to bring attention and power to themselves. I believe he calls them white-washed tombs: clean on the outside, full of hate and hypocrisy on the insides. They're the pharisees.

God does not hate homosexual people. God hates sin. That includes the sin of hatred. Jesus equated anger which leads to hatred with committing murder in your heart.

Moral of the story: don't judge. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Anya Khan | # March 31, 2010 @ 4:53 PM — Flag Comment

Anyone who pickets a funeral is low. We need to pray for these people that they truly find G*d and stop their heinous behavior.

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Anonymous | # April 1, 2010 @ 2:55 PM — Flag Comment

i'll gladly send them to god personally.

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Church Lady | # April 2, 2010 @ 4:09 AM — Flag Comment

Hmm, if they are not going to be meeting God or St. Peter....lemme see, who are they worshipping..

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Anguiped | # April 5, 2010 @ 11:27 AM — Flag Comment

Isn't there a passage in the Bible about blasphemy being the only unforgivable sin? Plus, if this concept is all you got out of the Sodom and Gomorrah story, you may want to re-read it.

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Anonymous | # April 6, 2010 @ 10:17 PM — Flag Comment

You obviously don't know God! He hates the sin, not the sinner and and all sin is the same in His eyes. Are you without any sin? We all sin and fall short sir and we all need God's forgiveness and grace.

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Anonymous | # April 7, 2010 @ 10:25 PM — Flag Comment

congratulations on adding a little more hatred to the discussion. you're as deplorable as these other whack-jobs, and if you think that adding the disclaimer that "you're not a member of the WBC" makes it ok to have your sick views somehow, you're sadly mistaken.

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Daniel | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:55 AM — Flag Comment

The BJCC board has decided to let law inforcement handle this issue. The board has informed the Blacksburg Police and they will be providing protection to the BJCC building at the scheduled time, as well as before and after -just to be safe. No BJCC members or Hillel students will be in the building at that time.

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Why isn't the Govt involved yet | # March 30, 2010 @ 2:56 PM — Flag Comment

I called the numbers listed for this "church" and they have said in no uncertain terms that they have hatred for Americans and for this our country..The new terrorists have arrived. They say they are peaceful protestors, but the words of overthrowing the US Govt are words of treason and these folks are dangerous to society at large. FBI what are you waiting for you killed the Koresh folk who did nothing wrong and now these terrorists are getting away with lawless behavior only to be rewarded by a hypocritical judge. What is going on here?

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Mark Render | # March 30, 2010 @ 3:40 PM — Flag Comment

Imagine what would come of this if no media showed up to amplify their goofy views...they would have spent a lot of money and got nothing back to promote their goofy views.

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God Actually Hates Dooshbags ;-) | # March 31, 2010 @ 2:44 PM — Flag Comment

Unfortunately the media tends to want to report on controversy even if it involves people in grief and pain. What becomes the important issue is that people will want to watch it on the news or read about it the next day. So the media will likely cover the story. It sure would be a great slap in the face to Westboro if the media just left out all references to Westboro. Disempower them by taking away any mention of their presence. That should sting a little.

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Clay Leslie | # March 30, 2010 @ 4:40 PM — Flag Comment

Where is the Mafia when you need them?

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Anonymous | # March 30, 2010 @ 11:44 PM — Flag Comment

I think that the news or something should broadcast exactly where they're going to be, and tell everyone to stay away, whether it be vehicles or people. If not one person hears their protest, I think they'd be a little frustrated.

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anonymous | # March 31, 2010 @ 5:07 AM — Flag Comment

Yes, they are media whores and real life TROLLS. Everyone knows trolls should be ignored and they go away. On the other hand, they are the same scum that planned protests at the funerals of April 16 victims (until a radio station gave them airtime). They are protected by free speech. Well, so are you (counterprotesters).. ...dig into their backgrounds and make it known (preferable when interviewed by local news).

"Everybody has pressure points, Barnes. You find something that's personally important to him and you... SQUEEZE." (Mission Impossible)

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Anonymous | # March 31, 2010 @ 2:33 PM — Flag Comment

Like Shirley Phelps' illegitimate son I bet they don't want that known.

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charlie | # March 31, 2010 @ 9:01 AM — Flag Comment

just FYI, you mixed up the names in the supreme court case. Snyder is the father of the dead marine and the phelps family/cult is the WBC.

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Hokie 99 | # March 31, 2010 @ 2:38 PM — Flag Comment

Imagine the KKK marching down the streets and NO ONE is there to boo them or applaud them! You take all the wind out of their sails by simply ignoring them. It works. Same thing for this set of disrespectful, distasteful idiots. IGNORE THEM. They WANT us to cower and worry. They want us to confront them and shout back and scream! Let them stand there, all by themselves and look like the fools they are. They have that right. But DON'T SUPPORT THEM by turning out to "see what they look like." They look like imbeciles. And that makes sense, since that is what they are. So let them hold there big rally while everyone who is good, decent, compassionate and loving JUST IGNORES THEM. Would be great if the media simply took no video footage....and IGNORED THEM! Maybe one fine day they will get the message: YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE STUPID. And we all know....you can't fix stupid.

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Hahaha | # March 31, 2010 @ 4:02 PM — Flag Comment

"On April 10, 2008, a 6-person representation from the Phelps group picketed at the University of Wisconsin–Stout in Menomonie, Wisconsin—only 15 minutes into their scheduled 1 hour picket, the group retreated from the campus with a crowd of nearly one thousand students marching behind them shouting "go home, go home."

On March 9, 2009, during a protest at the University of Chicago, they were met by more than 100 students waving signs bearing mocking slogans such as "God hates the new Facebook" and "God hates dial-up." Nearby scantily clad fraternity brothers danced to gay anthems"

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anne f. | # April 1, 2010 @ 12:58 PM — Flag Comment

"God hates figs!"

"Taxonomists hate platypuses!"

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Deanne Sotrines Noel | # April 1, 2010 @ 6:05 PM — Flag Comment

I grew up in Topeka,Kansas. When Mr. Phelps and his extended family began protesting at a local park in the 80's, we all thought he would go away when it got cold. People tried EVERYthing to make them go away. They are a family of lawyers (mostly disbarred) who know just enough to keep themselves out of trouble.
When this group protested a high school in Prairie Village, Kansas, the students started taking pledges as to how long the group would protest and then donated the proceeds to AIDS research. The longer the Phelps protested, the more they were helping they very thing that they were protesting against. I thought that this was a WONDERFUL way to turn a negative into a positive.
I hope that someone reading this will undertake this cause. Don't just read this and think it is a good idea, DO IT! I don't live in the area, or I would be happy to help. Good luck to you all! I am so sorry we couldn't stop him in Topeka...
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Jordan Snelgrove | # April 1, 2010 @ 7:09 PM — Flag Comment

I heard recently that they won't be protesting at the high school anymore, but will be protesting at the middle school instead.

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Anonymous | # April 2, 2010 @ 12:24 PM — Flag Comment

How about we just file in with them, join the protest, but carry signs like "Gays may be fags, but A-HOLES ARE A-HOLES" or "I'd rather be a fag than an A-HOLE" or "God loves Bacon, but not WBC" Honestly, who doesn't love bacon? How about "WBC = Waxed Butt Chasers!"

Whatever, they are super-ultra-mega-jerks and I hope they fall off earth.

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Jamie Lemon | # April 1, 2010 @ 8:29 PM — Flag Comment

Thank you to all the people involved in counter-protesting this hateful and insensitive church

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Anonymous | # April 5, 2010 @ 4:47 PM — Flag Comment

I think the fundraiser is a brilliant idea and could come into play ANYTIME that Westboro shows up for anything ever. If they come to your school to protest the activities of a particular group have a 'Westboro-athon' to raise money for them. The more they protest, the more they help that group. If you can get that going on a wide enough scale it could really take off.

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Anne Scheer | # April 5, 2010 @ 9:15 PM — Flag Comment

When the WBC came to Richmond, a group named Pennies for Protest raised $14,000 in support for the groups WBC targeted, and then sent them a very polite thank-you note for their help in raising awareness.

This is one of the two ways to defeat hatred that takes itself so seriously: by warping it into good, or by making fun of it.

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downwhatred | # April 6, 2010 @ 5:51 PM — Flag Comment

Wouldn't this be a great time for a coordinated paintball attack. Painful, yet non lethal would send a strong message. Shoot the signs or shoot the sign holders. LOL

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Alum | # April 7, 2010 @ 11:23 PM — Flag Comment

Sorry, advocating violence of any kind, including non-lethal, is wrong. I understand your sentiment, but consider what your words really mean.

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Anonymous | # April 8, 2010 @ 5:31 PM — Flag Comment

Plus people like that DREAM of being "martyred." By being violent in any way to them only encourages that feeling of "martydom" The more pain you inflict the more they like it because it "proves" to them they are doing the "right thing"

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Anonymous | # April 9, 2010 @ 1:16 PM — Flag Comment

I don't respect the SGA anymore after all this. How ridiculous.

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hokiehi22 | # April 11, 2010 @ 6:13 PM — Flag Comment

it sounds like and I hope the incident went w/out any controversy. Those creeps relish in that!

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