Law students suing schools

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Frustrated with their unemployment, law graduates are suing their alma maters, accusing their schools of false employment and salary data.

Earlier this month, eight law firms took to the allegations and banded together to sue 12 law schools. The main allegations revolve around the premise that these law schools lured in graduates with high percentages of employment post-graduation and inflated salary statistics.

These class action lawsuits join three others that were filed in 2011 against New York Law School and the Thomas M. Cooley Law School. In total, more than 70 graduate students and 15 law schools dispersed across the country are involved.

Included in the new lawsuits are Albany, Brooklyn, Hofstra and John Marshall law schools. All reported an employment rate higher than 90 percent, according to AboveTheLaw.com. However, some graduates are not finding jobs despite the numbers.

The pending lawsuits reflect an increase in graduates who are pursuing careers in an industry where employment and salary data produced doesn’t always reflect the current job market.

“It’s like stock markets,” said Wayne Moore, a pre-law adviser at Virginia Tech. “You can report the past performance of stock markets, and often times there’s a disclaimer at the bottom saying past performance is not a guarantee of future performance. So I think it’s kind of like that in terms assuming that the data is accurate, which is in question, doesn’t necessarily mean the patterns over the past 10 years or so would replicate themselves in the future.”

Moore helps Tech students, who are interested in pursuing a higher education in law, make intelligent and informative decisions when considering law schools. There are many factors students should take into account when looking at law schools, one being the amount of money needed to pay for tuition.

On average, law graduates face $100,000 in debt due to student loans, according to U.S News Education data.

“I think it’d be a mistake to say one should not go to law school categorically if it required to go into debt,” Moore said. “It’s an individual decision to make. By the same token, the amount of debt is something to consider.”

Moore recommends students take into account a school’s location and reputation, as well as the current job market because “perceived tightness in the job market is manifesting itself in these lawsuits to the extent that people are not happy about the fact that they're not getting jobs.”

“Not everyone who graduates law school gets a job — that’s a new fact pre-law students have to get used to,” said Erica Largen a junior environmental policy and planning and communication double major.

Largen plans to apply to law schools depending on her LSAT score. 

During the 2009-10 academic year, 87 Tech seniors and 139 alumni applied to 173 law schools, according to university data. Seventy-four percent of degree holders were admitted into 123 different law schools. And 83 percent of graduating seniors were admitted to one or more law schools. 

But even if a student gains admission to their selected school, there is no guarantee they will find a job after graduation. 

“Many people consider law as a career choice in large part due to the expectations of a high income upon graduating, and when law students fail to find jobs within a poor job market and are tens of thousands dollars in debt, it really places a huge financial burden on these graduates,” said Jake Adams, a senior political science major.

Adams plans to take his LSATs in the fall and said the current lawsuits affect Tech students who may want to study law after graduation.

“All Tech students interested in a future career in law should be concerned with the outcome of these lawsuits and should fully consider all of the information associated with law schools when contemplating law as a career,” he said.

There has been no set trial date for the lawsuits.

A version of this article appeared in the Feb 14 issue of the Collegiate Times.

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Anonymous | # February 14, 2012 @ 4:07 AM — Flag Comment

The job market has been saturated with lawyers for years, an 8 year old on google could have figured this out. Were the schools under contract to guarantee a job upon graduation? I doubt it. Maybe they should all team up together and sell their tears as designer bottled water. This is almost as bad as the people with a worthless master's degree in philosophy or something just as useful insisting the U.S. erase their student debt. It's hard to imagine with all the schooling these people have undertaken that a simple concept such as supply vs. demand has escaped their grasp.

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Ivy Grad | # February 14, 2012 @ 8:38 AM — Flag Comment

Graduates of Yale Law will find jobs. There hasn't been a huge drop in recruitment at that school Moral of the story is go to the best law school you can get accepted to. If you don't get into a top law school, or a school where you find the financial package is affordable, don't simply go because you want to get in to law. There's no shame in waiting a year, gaining experience, and prepping harder for the LSAT and/or taking additional post-graduate classes to clear up GPA questions the adcom may have.

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Tauhid Chappell | # February 14, 2012 @ 3:32 PM — Flag Comment

This is true. No shame in waiting and preparing. In either case if students are considering law school, they should be well informed and do their research if they plan to apply. The more aware and informed the better their decision will be when selecting a school that suits their needs (and is within range, financially).

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Tauhid Chappell | # February 14, 2012 @ 3:34 PM — Flag Comment

This is true. No shame in waiting and preparing. In either case if a student is considering law school, they should be well informed and do their research if they plan to apply. The more aware and informed a student is, the better their decision will be when selecting a school that suits their needs.

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Western Hokie | # February 15, 2012 @ 12:26 PM — Flag Comment

If you actually want to practice law, "go to the best law school that you can get accepted to" is the absolute worst advice. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, and take the most practical approach toward how you would actually find a job in your chosen jurisdiction.

(1) Go to a law school in the State that you want to live and practice in.

(2) Go to the least expensive law school in that State

(3) Shoot for the top 10% in grades, get on Law Review, and take on internships or externships. If you can't make top 10%, do specialty law reviews, moot court, whatever. Show initiative and set yourself apart in law school. Studying hard doesn't count because everybody studies hard.

The best law school you can get into will give you a pretty diploma, bragging rights for about 6 months post-graduation, and a lifetime of debt and bitterness.

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Anonymous | # February 23, 2012 @ 3:41 PM — Flag Comment

Just a point of fact- LSAC does not take into account any course work completed after you earn your B.A. No advanced degree work will be included in your GPA calculation. So any GPA issues you have are locked in once you complete your undergraduate degree.

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Anonymous | # February 15, 2012 @ 3:23 PM — Flag Comment

If your school only places 70 percent of grads into the workforce within a year, but the school says they place 95 percent, than they should be held accountable. shame on them, not the students who trusted the schools statistics.

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mailaccount63 | # February 22, 2012 @ 10:55 AM — Flag Comment

You are missing the point: law schools greatly inflate their numbers. Yes, we have an absolute GLUT of lawyers. But for the majority of the time, you are talking about kids trying to decide what to do vocationally for the rest of their lives. They don't realize that they canNOT trust their schools and/or their guidance counselors. Law school is simply a cash cow.

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Henry | # February 14, 2012 @ 11:05 AM — Flag Comment

Protect me from myself!!!!

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Anonymous | # February 16, 2012 @ 11:43 AM — Flag Comment

The question is not whether past data match current data. The question is whether the data used was cooked or presented dishonestly to make schools look better.

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