Collegiate Times

The message here is that it's ok to sell out your values. Gotcha.

You don't receive financial support from the university? Yes you do. Do your research. You receive a lot of financial support from Virginia Tech, and an office for free. Get the facts.

Apologizing for an ad by basically saying "they pay us so we'll further their message even though we don't support it" seems pretty idiotic.

You don't have financial support from the school? Yes you do. Do your research. You get a lot of financial support from Virginia Tech, plus a free office. Get the facts

agreed-this seems really pathetic and not very smart

If you know what financial support they receive, why don't you share those facts with everyone?

Is there a link to a VT page or something that has this info?

When a press release from Virginia Tech also says "The independent, student-run newspaper" and you fail to provide any sources for your claim, you don't really look good.

http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2011/10/101411-dsa-ctawards.html

Here: http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/236426

This is pathetic. The CT is the one thing I absolutely HATE about Virginia Tech. They're not 100% ad-supported, either. These are OUR tuition dollars at work and if you email the VP of Student Affairs, he'll give you a break down of exactly how much funding they receive from the school (he's a nice, honest guy). It's time to bring down the CT.

So you're saying that you essentially whore out ad space to anyone who wants it? Glad to know you're that desperate...

So you essentially admit to taking ANY advertising money that comes your way - regardless of what it says or implies? That's a good way to go about things for sure. Can we get a new school paper please?

The CT is the thing you hate about VT? I can think of several administrative departments that are worse than anything the CT can do.

If you are going to ban content because it is controversial, what's the point of having a college newspaper? I thought college media was supposed to be edgy. Face it, you are always going to offend someone. The Vagina Monologues was designed to be offensive. Are you going to ban ads for it next?

There's a difference between edgy content and edgy PAID advertising. Also a difference between hate speech and free speech.

Have a little bit of a backbone and stand up for something rather than saying it is society's problem to fix. If you don't support the content, don't take the money. I'm sure there are other advertisers out there.

I don't condone any action taken by the CT to place an ad, harmful or not, solely on the revenue that comes from it. HOWEVER, to say the CT and four other media outlets provided by EMCVT receive "tons of support from the university" is blatantly false. The ad revenue from the CT contributes to a vast majority of funds that allow each and every outlet to exist. They are a non-profit company that exists to allow students their own voice and opportunity to write, speak, display, and spread student driven content.

Again, there is a process in place where this ad should have been seen and discussed on various levels. However, this witch hunt against the CT and rest of CMS/EMCVT is absurd. They are a great company that actually looks out for the student body. It was a bonehead mistake they've hopefully learned from.

As you all leave Tech, you will face much harder dilemmas with far more areas of gray than this I assure you. So feel free to discuss it and make apparent that these views are not tolerant. Just don't be ignorant based on what's right in front of you.

People going into histrionics and talking about "bringing down the CT" need a reality check.

In this case, "journalistic integrity" could have meant a lot of things: 1) choosing not to run the "ad" at all; 2) choosing not to run it on page 2, where it masquerades as an actual news story; 3) choosing to *pre-emptively* note that the CT does not condone the content of the "ad" in a textbox right next to the "ad"; 4) actually taking ethical responsibility for running the "ad," rather than hiding behind the excuse of a poor cash flow in hard economic times; 5) actually apologizing for the poor judgment involved in running the "ad"; 6) officially amending your practices so that the CT can no longer publish such "ads."

Unfortunately, none of those things happened, at least not yet. There is still time to make it right, though.

If you choose not to, so be it, but please stop saying you are involved in "journalism."

In this case, "journalistic integrity" could have meant a lot of things: 1) choosing not to run the "ad" at all; 2) choosing not to run it on page 2, where it masquerades as an actual news story; 3) choosing to *pre-emptively* note that the CT does not condone the content of the "ad" in a textbox right next to the "ad"; 4) actually taking ethical responsibility for running the "ad," rather than hiding behind the excuse of a poor cash flow in hard economic times; 5) not suggesting that your lack of integrity performed a public service by starting a dialogue on these issues 6) actually apologizing for the poor judgment involved in running the "ad"; 7) officially amending your practices so that the CT can no longer publish such "ads."

Unfortunately, none of those things happened, at least not yet. There is still time to make it right, though.

If you choose not to, so be it, but please stop saying you are involved in "journalism."

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this ad. Everything in it is 100% true. Some people don't like to hear the truth.

guys calm down all of this can be resolved by having a policy for what kind of ads to run, will the CT run ads for cigarettes, casinos, p*rnography, and guns? obviously there has to be a policy for what kind of ads are allowed and hate speech should be one that isn't..

FUNNY.. as I tried to submit this I was not allowed to be because of this error:
Error: Your comment contained an inappropriate word: p*rn

To preserve any modicum of integrity it might have, the CT needs to run an article disclosing FLAME's true nature AND it needs to apologize to the VT community for running the ad in the first place. Another poster called running the ad a "boneheaded mistake"; it is entirely possible that you guys failed to sufficiently investigate who or what FLAME is, and/or that you failed to weigh the significance of running the ad. Everybody makes mistakes: this one makes VT look really really bad. Surely by now you have rethought the wisdom of trading reputation and journalistic integrity for revenue. Please say so publicly in the CT.

Everybody has a right to free speech (and sorry but hate speech is included in that). But let's be clear, nobody here actually read the flame ad because if you did, you wouldn't so hypocritically call it hate speech while sarcastically lambasting the CT for simultaneously running it and apologizing. While the organization itself may promote hate in some real or percieved way, the actual text from today's ad doesn't actually have anything hateful in it, and if you did stretch the content of it to hate, then look no further to the multitude of negative, hateful articles written in the opinions section of CT on a routine basis followed up by the commenters. I think the only reason the CT apologized was because a previous Flame ad sparked a harsh response from the readership while the current editors wanted to to pre-empt any response with an apology. If you look at the text of the ad, there is no need to apologize, in fact, you really should only be encouraging debate and for others to come forth and lay out a counter argument.

So for those of us off campus this summer can someone sum up what this is all about exactly. I'm not sure who this FLAME group is and what they put in the paper that is objectionable.

Interesting. I've read about the dispute regarding anonymous bloggers and fully support the CT's position. Allow people to comment anonymously and monitor and remove those comments that violate policy. Once you start to lose anonymity, you lose that segment of the population that has something to add to the discussion, but can't do it publicly because either their job would be jeapordized, or worse, their life would be jeapordized by those unbalanced individuals who disagree.

This "advertising" controversy is another story. There is either a line or no line at all. I haven't seen the FLAME ad, but take it to the extreme...what about an add glorifying the VT mass murderer as a freedom fighter in class warfare? Would you accept the money for that? I doubt it. To write this one off as "we need the money" is a weird compromise of your integrity.

For those who aren't in town and haven't seen the ad, it's from an anti-Arab group called "Facts and Logic about the Middle East." It claims "the Arabs" are out to "destroy Israel." It's the same group that caused a furor at the University Maryland last year. Apparently they like taking advantage of college-student-run publications' naivety about "free speech" vs. commercial speech. The ad itself is two columns of text which take up more than half a page. It is laid out like just another article, there is nothing to distinguish it (such as an "ADVERTISEMENT" notice that is often used with deceptive-looking ads in other publications).

This letter from the editor is helpful; it is very interesting to know that the CT will run ads for any kind of hate group that can pony up the cash, and then absolve themselves later by saying "oh we don't agree with these people that we just allowed to use our publication as a megaphone - we just need the money."
In Maryland, the SGA voted to request an official apology and used the incident to start some awareness groups. I'll be interested to see what comes of this at VT.

I wonder if the CT would allow an ad saying that Israel was trying to destroy the Palestinians?

It is a shame that a newspaper like the CT will do anything for money. No wonder they are struggling to get advertisements. My company will not be running any ads for this paper!

Should have just ran the ad without making a letter about it. Complainers will come out of the woodwork like they did last year. However, after 2 days of whining in the comments section they will forget all about it.

This is not how a professional newspaper would act. Do you think this hate group could get published in the Washington Post or New York Times because they "need the money?"

Exactly. It is pathetic that the CT will do anything for money. But, no one probably saw it because no one reads the CT

Dear god, didn't you graduate? If not, apologies to everyone at Tech who has to continue to deal with you and your insufferable crusade to "bring down the CT." You are the epitome of a troll, an attention whoring online agitator with nothing of substance or wit to offer. Isn't it enough to teach freshmen "how to hook up on campus" without having to constantly attack the students working hard to run the CT?

^ That was towards Rebecca on July 18 at 11:45 pm, who had nothing better to do than read a student newspaper she admittedly hates, apparently also trying to recruit followers for a Bane-style uprising against said student newspaper. Keep fighting the good fight.

NO FLAME is not anti-arab. They are PRO-Iarael. They are only seeking to perserve the State of Israel from ebing destroyed by Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

Really, Israel trying to destroy the Palestinains? I wonder who starts all the terrorism in the Middle East besides Al Queada? Who murdered the Israeli Olympic team in 1972?

If anyone would like info on FLAME check out their website at http://www.factsandlogic.org/

I really appreciate how hard it must be for you to get on a soapbox whilst hiding behind a cowl of anonymity. Bravo, sir. Bravo. You're making us all safe from paid advertisement.

Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems as though you relied on the video to make your point. You clearly know what youre talking about, why waste your intelligence on just posting videos to your site when you could be giving us something enlightening to read?
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