Recent grads see season tickets snipped Graduates had been able to register for a year of season football tickets after graduation. That era is now over.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008; 11:34 PM
Virginia Tech athletics has revoked 400 student season tickets from 2008 graduates and part-time students.

C.A. "Sandy" Smith, associate athletic director for ticketing services, said some student tickets had been bought by Tech graduates.

"They're student tickets. If you're no longer a student, you don't qualify for a ticket," Smith said. "You're not supposed to order unless you're going to be a student in the fall."

One such alumnus whose ticket was revoked is 2008 Tech graduate Mike Bloom.

"I was under the impression that every year rising alumni was allowed to buy tickets," Bloom said. "I know two or three generations of alumni that just came out of school did. My brother and his friends were allowed to do it without any problems."

Previously, the ticketing department had no way of enforcing this as paper tickets were mailed in August, prior to the university determining who actually qualified as a full-time student.

This year, student season ticket holders were instead mailed electronic scan cards. When the bursar's office released the names of fee-paying, full-time students in the second week of September, the ticketing office took action.

"We knew there were students that abused the program, but we had no way of stopping that because we sent the tickets to the people in August," Smith said.

The former students and part-time students received an e-mail from the ticketing office informing them that their tickets would no longer be valid. The rule follows that if they do not pay the $116 athletic fee, they are not eligible to purchase student tickets.

Bloom said that he feels the most recent graduates should receive tickets because freshmen are not given the option of purchasing season tickets.

"When I was a freshman I was never guaranteed tickets, probably because the rising alumni got tickets the same way I did." Bloom said. "They said I'm no longer a fee-paying student, but when I was a freshman, I was a fee-paying student and I wasn't allowed to buy season tickets."

Part-time students have the option of paying the athletic fee included in a full-time student's tuition. If they do so by Oct. 8, they will retain their tickets.

Former students were referred to the Hokie Club for information on how to purchase tickets in the future. A new Hokie Club member must donate approximately $2,000 a year to secure the right to purchase season tickets. Refunds will not be issued, as student tickets have a face value of $44 per game.

"The students paid $64 for a season ticket, and they got $88 worth of value," for the season's first two home games, Smith said. "So there is no refund for the ticket."

Because of the timing of the announcement, Bloom felt the university intentionally took his money.

"I honestly think that they should have given us the option of buying out the rest of the tickets. It seems to me like they waited till the second game so they could still keep the money we paid," Bloom said. "It is more a fault of their system than some fine print on the Web site that I didn't see."

Smith said the university did not have an accurate list of fee-paying students until Sept.15.

"We don't know who's a full time student until Sept. 15. The bursar can't tell us because people can pay their fees up until then," Smith said.

The revoked tickets will be added to the student ticket lottery system, giving more students the chance to win and attend the remaining football games.

"We take Virginia Tech students very seriously. We don't want to turn any students away," Smith said.

Freshman engineering major Josh Morris said he is happy the tickets have been recovered, as he, like many freshman, has not yet been able to attend this year's home football games.

"They shouldn't get an extra year of school," Morris said. "That would kind of upset me, because it decreases the chance for other students to go."

Because of new scanner technology, Tech's ticketing department will be able to enforce this rule in the future.

"Up until this year, we did not have scanners," Smith said. "We got them last year for basketball, and we're going to check for basketball this year, too."

Students signing up for the men's basketball season ticket lottery will be checked to verify that they are full-time students for the entirety of the season.

While the e-mail sent to those affected said Blacksburg police would deal with people attempting to use revoked cards, Smith said the invalid cards would simply be taken.

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Posted by: Ken Stanton at Oct 9 Great discussion everyone. Check out the Facebook group "Hokies for a Sensible Student Ticket Policy" which is working towards a student-generated solution. I am the GSA (graduate student assembly) representative to the Athletics Committee, and I have an SGA (undergrad) contact, and we plan to take this forward. Get involved with it! Flag Abuse
Posted by: Kyle Minor at Oct 8 The problem, 'Granny,' is in the misrepresentation. You need to remember that for every student ticket surreptitiously bought by an alumnus/a, some student wasn't able to get his own student ticket. That the ticket office didn't realize this was happening is, of course, puzzling, but the fact remains that the ticket office also has the right to cancel the tickets of people who misrepresented themselves in order to get them. If you go to a movie theater and buy a senior citizen ticket and get caught, do you expect a refund? Even if you did, they wouldn't give it to you. And neither should the ticket office for VT athletics. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Sarah at Oct 7 As an Alumni I think it is more than fair to revoke the tickets from people who attempted to cheat the system. Why is it that people feel so "entitled"? Cheating the system is no different than stealing. You are not a student...You are not paying the student athletics fees...you have graduated and are an alumni. It is as simple as that. I understand that it is expensive but there are hundreds of young alumni that have found a way of getting tickets to games without lying. Since when is it ok to over look cheating at this university in any form. Why are the young alumni now any more entitled to those tickets than other young alumni or for that matter current students who are paying their fees and aren't able to attend the games? You got two games...congrats on that, because you paid for cheap tickets. But it is sad to think that because you broke rules that someone else should allow you to keep doing so because your feelings might get hurt. Flag Abuse
Posted by: "Granny" at Oct 7 What a way to treat your first year alumni! Frankly the rule stinks and should be changed. Revoke the tickets after two games? These young people cheered four years for their team. Now they are nothing? How many of these recent grads can afford to enroll in the Hokie Club just yet. You are encouraging scalping - you are discouraging pride in the Hokie team and you cracked down on the rules so that you don't have to refund the money for the remaining games. If you feel these alumni look dishonorable, how do you think "no refunds" looks. How much money do you suppose was spent for food, sweat shirts and gasoline for the away games? I assume not enough. Shound have waited another season for the crackdown. I know a few of these first year alumni people. I know they would support their alumni; Hope the alumni supports them in this issue! Flag Abuse
Posted by: Jason T at Oct 6 Ashley, they have made up their minds. You have to be a student in the spring, when tickets are purchased, AND in the fall, when they are used. Flag Abuse
Posted by: SleepingEditors at Oct 6 From the article: "A new Hokie Club member must donate approximately $2,000 a year to secure the right to purchase season tickets." Hmm. According to hokieclub.com, the absolute MINIMUM level required to get "the opportunity to purchase priority seating for home football and basketball games (if available)" is ... well, gee. It's the absolute minimum to join the Hokie Club -- $100 to $249 a year. The only ticketing difference between the minimum and the $2,000 the article cites is that _then_ you can get AWAY tickets as well. I'm all for letting the freshmen not pay the fee (but you shouldn't be able to go to the game for cheap either) and letting the alumni go one extra year without the fee (but you should have to sit in student section). CT, I've been reading you for eight years and it's difficult to believe the editors make the same mistakes over and over. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU PRINT. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Ashley at Oct 6 My boyfriend left for an internship on Spring 07, but came back in Fall 08 to finish his last year. He and I wanted to get season tickets together, and the athletic department told him that he wasn't allowed to order season tickets because he didn't pay the Spring 07 athletic fee, even though he was going to be a full-time student in the fall, and had paid th Fall 06 athletic fee. So which fee is it that counts? The athletic department needs to make up their minds. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Jason T at Oct 6 Catherine, please tell me how it would be fair for members who are currently in the Hokie Club if all of a sudden new alumni are allowed easier, cheaper access to tickets that they have been paying a premium for year after year. They could always abandon the athletic fee and charge students as they do alumni, I suppose (i.e. make you donate money before you even earn the right to buy full-priced tickets), but I have a feeling that many students would have a hard time convincing student loan officers that they need to include season ticket expenses as a factor in their loan award decision. The fact is that there are more students wanting tickets than there are student tickets, and there are more alumni wanting tickets than there are alumni tickets. Demand outweighs supply, and unfortunate as it may be, some folks are going to be left out. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Catherine B. at Oct 5 The recent grads of VT do not have the money to spend to join the Hokie Club, and thus be eligible to buy season tickets. They are fortunate if they have landed a job as yet. After four years of joining their friends in the stands and supporting the Hokies, and paying that athletic fee that is not always used, they have been left in the cold!!! To revoke student tickets after two games and then not offer these grads an alternative is a slap in the face. Hokie Alumni Association, this will trickle down to you. New alumni within driving distance of VT are very angry!! These are your future Hokie financial supporters. ALUMNI RIZE UP!!! Flag Abuse
Posted by: Anonymous at Oct 3 If they're so concerned about losing money from the 400 students that flew under the radar, why aren't they taking extra steps in stopping the free student lottery tickets from being sold as well? Get on it Weaver...get your money so the team can have 5 different jersey styles next year. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Anonymous at Oct 2 Yeah Free tickets so they can sell for $20-$50 that seems fair to the people who really wanna go... Flag Abuse
Posted by: Jason T at Oct 2 From hokietickets.com: "Who is eligible to buy student season tickets? Any current full-time Virginia Tech student who will also be registered for the Fall Semester 2008, may purchase one season ticket and up to one companion season ticket. Fall Semester enrollment will be checked with the Registrars Office. Graduating seniors should contact the Hokie Club at (540) 231-6618 for information regarding enrollment in the Hokie Club for future season ticket orders." Seems pretty clear to me. You'd better be a student in the fall, otherwise something will happen when they check your name against the registrars list. To those not happy about the non-refund, I say tough. At some point you realized that you would not be a student in the fall, so why not turn your tickets back in right away? Here's why: because most were trying to fly under the radar and keep their student tickets, despite being non-students. You got caught; get over it. Now 400 more current students will be able to get free tickets through the lottery. This is how it should be. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Anonymous at Oct 2 Most of the people who see no problem with the situation fail to understand why the alumni are so upset. It is not about whether they are within their rights or not. It is about how they treat their alumni. They could have easily let this year go and post a warning that this system would be in place next year. The next class would not make the same mistake. Instead they chose to not side with the alumni and simply revoke without warning. These alumni are the ones building facilities, football, and contributing to the heritage of the school. Federal funding is laughable and VT depends on the donations provided by the alumni. There are also the students who graduated, expected to come back in the fall, but then got a job offer they couldn't refuse. Or they found out they simply had to get a job because they couldn't afford it. Does that sound like they were "cheating" the system? No. By doing this VT has shot themselves in the foot for the 400 people who cannot attend the game. It does not make me want to give anything back to the school now that I know how they really feel about us. Does that sound like they handled the situation correctly? No. So I ask all who do not see a problem; how would you like to be treated as alumni, because you too might have to face a similar situation in the near future. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Anonymous at Oct 2 Get over it. The low-cost season tickets are for active students paying the athletic fees, not for mooching new alums trying to take advantage of a $350 savings for tickets. If you're an alum and you want tickets, pay full price for them like the rest of us. You're a graduate and an adult, act like one. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Unhappy_Alum at Oct 2 I REFUSE to give back to a university that refuses to give back to their alumni. I do not feel obligated to support the Athletic Dept. nor the general fund. I would however be happy to support VT's underfunded schools and departments. Then I would know that my money is going toward something useful. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Wisdom at Oct 1 Know your rights! Call your credit card company and have a charge back issued. You didn't pay to have your ticket revoked! Credit card agreements offer these kinds of guarantees--you CAN get your money refunded. Flag Abuse
Posted by: jsonitsac at Oct 1 I think if you don't pay the fee & you're not a student you don't deserve the student tickets. The ticketing people ought to know who's about to graduate and say "sorry you're denied." Then they can sell those student tickets to the incoming classes. Only seems fair to me. Granted, I'm an alum who has no intent of coming to a football game in the near future. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Paul G at Oct 1 I am a Co-Op, who is paying the Co-Op fee to maintain my full-time student status, and I am experiencing the same issue. I paid the fee in the Spring when I bought my tickets, but no one ever said that this fee would have to be paid again if I actually wanted to use the item i bought. It's like buying a house, and then paying rent for it at the same time. It's a great way to make money if you are on the receiving end! Flag Abuse
Posted by: hokie 08 at Oct 1 I fully agree that graduates one year out of school should be allowed to get season tickets. My freshman year, I signed up for EVERY lottery on time and how many tickets did I get? Zero. I had to beg, plead, and pay my way into games and I still didn't make it in. I really was hoping that I could get season tickets but I heard inklings that they were going to crack down on it. Fortunately, I didn't fill Weaver's coffers. Just think of how much money us recent grads would be bringing back to Blacksburg--buying merchandise, eating at local restaurants, maybe staying at hotels. Flag Abuse
Posted by: Anonymous at Oct 1 nice story guys! Flag Abuse
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